VRD 2.2.1.445 with Nero 6.6

joewinograd

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I'm using VRD 2.2.1.445 (Jan 8, 2006) to edit video from TiVo and then I want to burn a DVD (or VCD/SVCD) with Nero 6.6 that will play in a standard DVD player. After editing with VRD, I save it as a DVD Stream (.VOB), but Nero 6 doesn't think it's a legitimate DVD video, I'm guessing because VRD doesn't create the supporting .BUP and .IFO files. Anyone know how to make this work? Thanks much, Joe
 

Anole

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First, to work best with your TiVo files , you should probably use the latest Beta of VideoReDo.

Load a source file into VRD and press Ctrl-L, and post that info on your video files.
There is about zero chance you are dealing with a DVD standard, and the Nero Suite will want to re-encode it to full 720x480 for you.
There have been numerous posts on this forum about dealing with Nero in those cases.

Writing VOB files is not appropriate for use with Nero nor any other DVD authoring program save one.
VideoReDo doesn't make the supporting .ifo , .bup , and other files - that is the job of the authoring program.

See the links in my signature (below) for more info.

Edit: I thought this all sounded familiar. See also my comments in this thread.
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joewinograd

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Anole, I want to do exactly what Eduardo said in that thread -- remove commercials from a TiVo recording and burn the result to a DVD. Sounds like such a simple task, doesn't it? :) Screen shot with the Ctrl-L info is attached. Thanks, Joe
 

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Anole

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Wow, that's how you got the video out of your TiVo ?
I'm no expert, but that looks pretty good, as-is.
I'm not sure about the stereo sound. I have 384k instead of 256k for my AC3.

This could be the Nero Suite problem discovered a few weeks ago, and posted here on this forum.
I'm pretty sure your video would go through DVD Labs as-is, and make good discs (free demo available).


I think there is finally enough info posted here to get one of the developers to point a finger.
 

joewinograd

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Yes, that's straight out of the TiVo. I also had VRD make an .MPG from it, but Nero wouldn't accept that, either. VRD's VOB file plays perfectly on my PC with WinDVD V4 and its MPG file plays perfectly with WMP V10. All I need is a piece of software that will take VRD's VOB or MPG and burn it to a standard DVD. I've had such good results with Nero V6 in the past that I'm really shocked it can't do the burn from either of those files. Thanks for your replies. Regards, Joe
 

Anole

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Well, just because WinDVD or WMP play the VRD-output file does not make it a full DVD.

People often use the name Nero to apply to the Nero Suite.
I use only the CD- and DVD-burning portion of the Nero package.
So, if you want to burn your file with Nero Burning ROM and make a DVD, that's not going to happen.
If you are saying you want the Nero Suite of programs to make you a DVD, that is possible.

I edit with VideoReDo, then I author with DVD Labs, then I take that output and burn my discs with Nero (Burning ROM). ;)
And there are many other authoring programs. (see link in my signature)
Or search this forum for other discussions about getting Nero (Suite) to burn without re-encoding.
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joewinograd

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Anole, I do have the full Nero Suite 6.6 (and I'm willing to upgrade to 7 if that helps). So you're saying it *is* possible with the Nero Suite to burn a DVD from VRD output. How would I do that? I haven't been able to feed anything from VRD that the Nero burner likes. Is there some other piece of the Nero Suite that I need to use first before the burner? Thanks, Joe
 

joewinograd

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I searched the forum and it seems that I should be able to author a DVD with NeroVision Express 3, which is part of the 6.6 Suite, but when I click "Add Video Files" and tell it to add VRD's output (either the VOB or the MPG), something flashes very quickly on the screen, and the video file does not get added to the project. VRD or NVE3 problem?
 

phd

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Since you are using Nero, saving as VOBs won't do anything for you. They are designed to be used in the freeware authoring program dvdauthor. That program will create the proper format along with the IFO and BUP files need for a DVD.
 

joewinograd

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Pat, I'm happy to give dvdauthor a try, but I think the problem is a bug in NVE3. I downloaded the Nero 7 Premium (suite) trial, which includes Nero Vision 4 (an upgraded NVE3), and it has no problem loading VRD's VOB and MPG files into the make-a-movie project. I haven't tried it in my prod environment yet, because I'm not ready to overwrite my licensed 6.6 with the trial 7.0, but in a sandbox, NV4 had no problem authoring VRD's output and burning a VCD (the sandbox has a CD burner, but not DVD burner). Regards, Joe
 

Eduardo_b

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joewinograd said:
Anole, I want to do exactly what Eduardo said in that thread -- remove commercials from a TiVo recording and burn the result to a DVD. Sounds like such a simple task, doesn't it? :) Screen shot with the Ctrl-L info is attached. Thanks, Joe
Joe, how are you getting 720x480 from your Tivo? Is it the quality setting?

Also, how long does it take to wi-fi a 1-hour file (assuming you're using a wi-fi network) to your PC?

--Eduardo
 

Eduardo_b

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joewinograd said:
Anole, I want to do exactly what Eduardo said in that thread -- remove commercials from a TiVo recording and burn the result to a DVD. Sounds like such a simple task, doesn't it? :) Screen shot with the Ctrl-L info is attached. Thanks, Joe
Joe,

How are you getting 720x480 with your Tivo instead of 480x480? Do I need to change the quality setting or...?

--Eduardo

P.S.: I see that first post that didn't seem to upload is now showing as well. <sigh> Sorry for the same question twice.
 

joewinograd

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Eduardo, yes, it depends on the quality setting. It may also vary from TiVo to TiVo, but I'm not sure about that. My Pioneer DVR-57h, Humax DRT-400&800, and Sony SVR-3000 have different names for the different quality settings. I didn't test all four TiVo's, but I did test all four settings on the Pioneer. The Extreme and High quality settings create Dimensions and Display Size of 720x480; the Medium and Basic settings create Dimensions of 352x480 and Display Size of 360x480. I can also tell you that the Best and the High settings on the Humax create Dimensions and Display Size of 720x480. Btw, I haven't seen anything at 480x480, but again, I didn't test all four settings on all four TiVo's. Regards, Joe
 

joewinograd

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Eduardo, forgot to answer your wi-fi question. I don't use it anymore -- too slow. It took more than a minute to transfer a minute of high quality video, so I couldn't watch a show in real time while it was transferring. So I switched all the TiVo's to wired connections. I haven't timed it recently, but it can definitely transfer a minute of high quality in less than a minute, so I can watch a show while it's transferring. I can even begin to fast forward through commercials after 15 minutes or so. My recollection is that it took about 40 minutes to transfer an hour show, but that memory is a bit vague, and could be off by a bit. Regards, Joe
 

Eduardo_b

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joewinograd said:
Eduardo, yes, it depends on the quality setting. It may also vary from TiVo to TiVo, but I'm not sure about that.
I changed the quality on my Tivo from High to Best, but the resulting file is still only 480x480, so I either have to find out why or find software that transcodes a lot faster than DVD Architect 3. My Tivo is only a few months old. The learning curve remains steep. :rolleyes:
 

joewinograd

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Eduardo, my guess, and it's only a guess, is that the 480x480 is due to the brand/model of TiVo you have. You might want to join the TiVo Community Forum at <http://www.tivocommunity.com/> and do some research. Regards, Joe
 

joewinograd

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An update on the NVE3 situation mentioned earlier. My install must have been corrupted. I reinstalled NVE3 (just NVE3 -- not the entire Nero6.6 suite) and now it can handle VRD's output fine. So I can do what I want with just two products -- VRD and Nero. My only complaint is that because VRD can't directly handle an AVI/MPEG-4 file, I must first convert those to MPEG-2 (Nero is fine for that). I hope the VRD folks add direct support for AVI/MPEG-4 soon. Regards, Joe
 

Anole

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Congrats on your success. ;)

Okay, I don't know my way around the TiVo world, but...
What does .AVI have to do with all this discussion?
That is an additional problem with other input video... maybe from the internet?
Any such shows I want to convert, don't generally need commercial editing.

I would be interested in the throughput using a Nero tool for that conversion.
Is it fast enough for ya?
I'm usually seeing in the neighborhood of 100 frames per second using WinAVI on my big computer, and down around 25 fps on my 1500mhz laptop.
 

joewinograd

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Anole, .AVI has nothing to do with TiVo. It ties into another thread that I started. I have just two sources of video that I want to edit with VRD -- TiVo and a Casio Exilim camera, which can take stills and shoot video. VRD can handle the TiVo video just fine -- both burned DVDs and transferred TiVoToGo files. However, it cannot read the Casio video, which are .AVI files with MPEG-4 inside them. It is a pain to have to go through an extra step to convert the MPEG-4 into MPEG-2 so VRD can read it. Hence my request for the VRD folks to add direct support for .AVI/MPEG-4 soon. Re Nero speed, I haven't timed it. Will do that and get back to you, but it may not be until this weekend. Regards, Joe
 

Anole

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Joe -

Take a look at this product, and see if it will interface with your camera.
If so, you would use it in place of any Casio software you currently use to transfer video from the camera to your computer.
I suggested it to a friend with a Panasonic camcorder, and he seemed quite happy with it.

I'm unfamiliar with your Casio, but I do know what other products from this company can do.
If it's a match for you, it might just be another solution to your problem.

And the best part is.... it's free ! :)


oh joy... my 666th post on this forum... what an honor. ;)
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