Sign here for transitions/ fades

avpeterjohn

New member
Yes OK "bits", my mistake, I didn't mean "jump cut" ie a cut leaving a gap in continuous action but an inappropriate cut between two disconnected scenes.

Of course I never get these in my own videos do I (!), but having to improve a third party amateur mpeg video, a fade/blend transition helps to smooth things along.
Of course the non re-encoding feature of VRD is paramount which along with QSF is why we all use it !

But that doesn't mean that a transition feature is irrelevant - Well anyway not to me !
 

bits

New member
Yes OK "bits", my mistake, I didn't mean "jump cut" ie a cut leaving a gap in continuous action but an inappropriate cut between two disconnected scenes.

Of course I never get these in my own videos do I (!), but having to improve a third party amateur mpeg video, a fade/blend transition helps to smooth things along.
Of course the non re-encoding feature of VRD is paramount which along with QSF is why we all use it !

But that doesn't mean that a transition feature is irrelevant - Well anyway not to me !
I think maybe I have not been clear in my statements. If VRD did incorporate simple fades/transitions I would be somewhat more satisfied with their product and I am fairly certain I would occasionally use the feature. However, given the history of this request and others on this forum I do not think the VRD folks are going to change their priorities based on how many posters plead their case. Also, I and others have found that over time and many videos later that fades and transitions are not really necessary. This is not true of everyone but for many it is.

So I am not against fades/transitions but I can take them or leave them. If you look at many of my initial posts (if they still exist) you will see that I was once an eager; I just got have fades, poster!

In the mean time enjoy VRD for what it is and can do!
 

avpeterjohn

New member
Noticed a post on the Plus threads so thought I might bring this one back to life. Has there been any progess here ? Probably not !!
 
I'm with you all the way on this but I don't believe that even basic fades will ever happen now as it has been so many years since this was first suggested and we're still no closer. But I hope I'm wrong!
 

backoffice

New member
I wish....I've always wanted a fade up/down on the audio to get rid of next program announcements a little less abruptly and still believe that is possible in VRD as the volume functionality is already there. No need for video fades or transitions though.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
The biggest problem for us with fades/transitions is the audio. VRD does not have an AC3 encoder. Which means that any sort of fade/transition would require the entire audio stream to be converted to either MP2 or PCM. Considering that one of the main reasons people use our product is it's ability to edit a file while retaining the original 5.1 sound that's not a very practical option.

We have looked into adding an AC3 encoder to VRD, but the license fee for 5.1 encoding is extremely expensive and would force us to raise the price of VRD to a point we're not comfortable with. The licensing fee for 2.0 encoding, which is what most other products use, is more practical but that's really no better then using MP2 or PCM as you would still loose surround sound.

So until the license fee for 5.1 encoding comes down, or the price of VRD goes up, fades/transitions are not really practical.

Dan
 
Dan203, that's the first time that I've heard it was the audio that was the problem with fades but it does make sense with AC3. However not all digital transmission is in 5.1 format, over here in the UK, Freeview (Digital Terrestrial TV) doesn't transmit 5.1 yet if ever due to bandwidth only Sky satelite and possibly Freesat do.
How I fade my recordings is by taking the portion of the mpeg I want to fade and saving it as elementary files (mpv and wav). I then edit the video with Premere Pro and the audio with Audition, re-construct it as an mpeg and add the section back in using the VRD's joiner, it's a round about way but it works.
So if the ability to edit elementary files was introduced then fades and possibly transitions wouldn't be that difficult to add in albeit only with video and MP2 audio, but at least the option would be there.
 

avpeterjohn

New member
Suggestion

Thanks Dan for the reply. At least now we know why.

I’m with Grandpa Broon on this one in the UK, where I have not yet had a 5.1 AC3 file to work with.

How about this one for a suggestion ?:- Make a fade/transition option available but when coming to save the output only allow saving with non 5.1 audio alternative
This would satisfy all but the surround sound people who would be no worse off (i.e. Not having transitions) & it would not need the licence.

Or have I got it all wrong ?
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
There are other, more fundamental issues with creating fades and transitions besides the audio issues that Dan203 highlighted. Including preview and output. Both the output driver and preview are being re-written for H.264 support so I'm hopeful that once that is done, we can get back to the transition project.
 

Anole

Moderator
Interesting. But how do ya do a cut in the middle of a 5.1 stream?
Isn't re-encoding of the sound required?

I'd almost be happy with a choice of leaving the audio run full volume OR cut it off at the start of the fade...
Doesn't sound attractive to most, but for some of the times I've wanted it, that'd actually be useful ... and better than nothing.
AND, as Grandpa Broon mentioned, we're not always running 5.1 material. :rolleyes:
I've spent all my years here hacking up 2-channel MPA audio!
I see half-capability as a good beta test project, just don't advertise the feature.

Hope things work out in the future; maybe an optional non-compliant encoder could be chosen by those of us who are less critical. :cool:
 
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