Reorder output scene order

August12

New member
Ditto on Full Screen (CTRL-SHIFT-F) = AOK on WIN 7! And Thank you very much for this spectacular feature (which I was requesting years ago), I love the VRD keyboard controls, so this is now my NEW best media player!! yeahhhh, thanks again.
(now the last feature I would love added is an option to designate the recording order of scenes, currently if I want to rearrange the order, I must save indivdual scenes and then use JOIN and arrange the order, a multi step process).
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
Glad you like the full screen mode, hopefully other users will appreciate it as well.

Can you describe the situations where you save out of order scenes from single file?
 

August12

New member
Just one (of a few different) example is:

A show episode is cut and ready to save but there is a PROMO/preview segment in the middle of the episode for next weeks ep that I want to include, I prefer to not have the PROMO in the middle of the ep disrupting continuity, so to keep that PROMO I 'Joiner' it at the end of the ep.
And sometimes it is a promo that contains content (eg star/guest/holiday/advertiser commentary) that will not be broadcast anywhere else.

It would be nice if I could (optionaly) somehow use something similar to the "Joiner editing" dialogue box to arrange scenes before saving the output.

Or perhaps add a column after 'Duration" in the cut scene list where we can simply enter a number for each scene to represent the numeric order of scene output for each scene? (eg 1, 2, 3 , 4 is as cut, but 1, 4, 2, 3 moves the second scne to the end of the output)

(add this along with the new 'transition' option and you begin to rival Final Cut PRO for fast basic movie making/editing, expanding your user base? [bribe, bribe, wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

BTW, sorry about this tangent in this thread, please move or ?? if needed.

and BTW. Thank you very much for for a spectacular product, with value beyond the price I have happily paid, and that I am now in my second decade of using (practically everyday for over ten years?). Cutting 20 minutes of commercials per hour of episode, in less than 3-4 minutes, gives me back many valuable hours to do much much more. In less than ten minutes, I turn 3 hours of primetime viewing into 2 hours. that is 365 hours (i.e. 15 lost days of life) of wasted viewing saved per year!!!
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
What if there were an option to convert or add the the entire scene list into the current joiner list?

PS. Thank you very much for the kind words they are most appreciated.
 

tobyW

Member
Yes, that sounds useful, especially if August12's extra column was added for scene-ordering.

I could see it helping me when I'm taking extracts from one file and splicing them into positions in another file.

That happens when I have a new recording but it's missing some scenes, and I elect to fill the gaps using extracts from an older recording that's inferior but complete. To do this, I open both files in separate instances of VideoRedo, and search (laboriously) for suitable splice points; then I need to break both files into pieces, and join all the wanted pieces in the proper order.
 

tobyW

Member
I was referring to post #14 above, where August12 suggested:-
"Or perhaps add a column after 'Duration" in the cut scene list where we can simply enter a number for each scene to represent the numeric order of scene output for each scene? (eg 1, 2, 3 , 4 is as cut, but 1, 4, 2, 3 moves the second scne to the end of the output) "

I envisage that I would save my collection of scenes punctuated by "gaps" as one project, and my collection of "extracts" as another project, I would load both of these collections into the joiner, and then re-order them such that the extracts are spliced into the gaps. Re-ordering becomes confusing without some way of keeping track of which scene is which, but August12's proposed new column could make it easy.
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
Re-ordering becomes confusing without some way of keeping track of which scene is which, but August12's proposed new column could make it easy.
Why an extra column, why not use the current description field?
 

August12

New member
What if there were an option to convert or add the the entire scene list into the current joiner list?

PS. Thank you very much for the kind words they are most appreciated.
Thank you. Yes, "Add the entire scene list" sounds perfect!

I assume that the "Scene Start" would become the "Filename" in the Joiner editing dialogue box?
Or would they be added such as "Scene 1", "Scene 2", Scene 3", etc.? OR????

Anyway, this would be great, and give me back even more hours of life each year!(haha)

Again, thank you for considering!!!
 

tobyW

Member
Sorry, I've always regarded the Description field as an oversized unexplained copy of the filename which I don't mess with. If not, blank would have been better!

That said, if "Add the entire scene list" could populate the Description field with "Scene 1", "Scene 2", "Scene 3" etc., each entry would be clearly identified by its Filename and Description fields.

Then it would be easy to re-order or splice them, manually by using the Up/Down buttons as usual?

Thanks!
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
I've always regarded the Description field as an oversized unexplained copy of the filename which I don't mess with. If not, blank would have been better!
The reason we didn't leave it blank it that when in the joiner list, if you click edit or double click the item it open that joiner item for editing and shows the description in the caption bar.

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However, duplicating the file name may not be the best default. Having a description of "Scene xx" when adding all the output scenes to the joiner is certainly a better default.
 

August12

New member
Why an extra column, why not use the current description field?
sorry to jump in here.

Yes, I agree that the "description" field in the Joiner editing dialogue box would be perfect!! Perhaps having "Scene Start" column header as the Filename and then the initial cut order of a scene as the description (i.e."Scene 1", "Scene 2", Scene 3").

This seems perfect, except if more scenes are subsequently defined after initial Joiner editing dialogue box population effort?? quick solve to that situation would be a "Description" naming convention such as "Scene 2.1" (e.g. when a new scene is defined between 2 & 3 after joiner use??). Or only allow "add the entire scene list to Joiner" as a "clean slate" effort each time used. (Anyway, it all sounds great, would love to see it implemented, and I understand the best chance of having it, is for it to be easy to add, so I vote for a simple implementation as possible (for the programmers) Thanks!

BTW, I am amazed at what I have not yet explored and discovered about VideoRedo! I have been happily quickly racing through my projects that I never slowed down to notice that "Description" was an editable field, and I can now see how helpful it can be on large lists, WOW! Thank you again for a great program.


BTW2,
---------------------with the new Full Screen viewing option, I can now do something I have been wanting for years:
I can simply, immediatley use my original broadcast recording (via the .VPrj file) to play a "cut" show in full screen without using/losing the workstation time to actually output/save the cut file!!
---------------------(now that data storage can be found for $15/TB, saving storage space by cutting commercials is no longer a priority but saving time still is)---------------- VRD is a really COOL TOOL!

.....................[plus a little secret, with some limitations/trickery, I can apply Ad-Detective to a live broadcast, then in Full Screen I basically use it as a manual commercial skip tool of a live broadcast!]
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
You can already do this with the joiner. Just add all the scenes you want for the first part and then add to joiner. Then clear the scenes, add the one(s) you want for the second bit and add to joiner again. You can add the same file to the joiner multiple times with different scenes/cuts and they will still be stitched together as if they were different files.
 

tobyW

Member
Hi DanR, I've already had occasion to exercise your solution to this matter, as found in this week's build 797a.

Looks like you've sorted this out elegantly, it works well for me. Once again, many thanks!
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
Hi TobyW, You're welcome and thanks for the suggestion in the first place. I too like the solution and think overall it's a cleaner approach. Hopefully, we don't hear from other users who prefer the "old way better" :)
 
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