Problems with Ulead DMF and DVD-Lab

Uli

New member
Hi Pat,
phd said:
On the same page below the country option on installation, there is an option to install both NTSC and PAL versions.
I found that option. However, this option allows me to install pal OR ntsc.

Ok, I tried to install ntsc. But then DMF had to re-render my pal recording in order to produce a ntsc dvd. Ok, it was in sync. But that does not help me.

Pat, can you explain if there is still a possibility?

Uli
 

phd

Super Moderator
Hi Uli,

Now that you have DMF installed in NTSC, go to DMF Preferences and manually change it to PAL To open preferences you can use the shortcut {F6} key or it is the icon in the lower left corner. Go to the General Tab and select TV System for PAL/SECAM. Load the files and render the DVD and see if it makes a difference. That's how I rendered a PAL DVD on my NTSC system using a PAL MPEG file and it should not reencode the video. See if it helps with the sync.

Let me know,
Pat
 

Uli

New member
Hi Pat,
phd said:
Now that you have DMF installed in NTSC, go to DMF Preferences and manually change it to PAL. ...
now I followed your proposal. But it does not help. The resulting DVD is still out of sync. It seems to be of no difference wheter I install in PAL directly or install in NTSC and switch to PAL later.

What I do not understand is, why DMF works fine with an original recording of my tv card, but produces AV oos when the recording has been remuxed with VRD. I will upload another sample to illustrate the problem in the next time. Perhaps Dan can help finding the reason.


For the moment I switched to using DVDlab. It seems to be much more stable:

DMF does crash from time to time during editing chapters. The AV gets out of sync (pobably only on my computer). The audio transcoding from 44.1 to 48 kHz is very fast. But one has to patch SVCDs to make DMF accept them. And the menu facilities are very resricted. It is not possible to build a simple start screen with the functions "Start movie", "Select scenes" and "Bonus: another movie".

DVDlab seems to be more professional. It recognizes SVCD format, gives a warning, but accepts them and offers to transcode the audio before the import. The chapter editing is very stable, however, it is without audio support. For normal movies, no concert recordings, this seems to be ok. And the possibilities to create menus are much more powerful in DVDlab.


Uli
 

Uli

New member
Hi Pat, hi Dan,

phd said:
Here's the way I create chapter points in DMF if its help to you. Most of this will probably work with DVD-Lab as well. I don't have the program.

[...]

<Version>2
<Filename>D:\VideoReDo\VR_MOVIE1 (02).mpg
<MPEG Stream Type>2
<Duration>32058693333
<SyncAdjustment>0
<Cut 0>4640302333:6442102333:123684878:177870862 00:07:44;01, 00:10:44;06, 00:07:44;01
<Cut 1>12285940333:14085738333:337410062:391311374 00:20:28;18, 00:23:28;17, 00:17:28;12
<Cut 2>19514828666:21775754000:543158286:610146318 00:32:31;14, 00:36:17;17, 00:26:31;09
<Cut 3>25214189000:27178818333:706539534:764213262 00:42:01;12, 00:45:17;26, 00:32:15;05
let me come back to your very kind explanation of setting chapter points.

I found out thet DVDlab uses a very handy import/export format for chapter points. It has just the following format:

00:01:28:000
00:04:58:000
00:06:39:000
00:10:03:000
00:13:27:000
00:17:59:000
00:21:04:000
... and so on

It should be possible that VRD will save chapter points in this format in some future version? Dan mentioned that he will start doing some fun stuff after releasing the current verision? Setting and saving bookmakrs could be one of them.

Uli
 

phd

Super Moderator
Hi Uli,

I assume after the complete reinstall using the NTSC option, you reinstalled all the patches?. Which patches did you install? Also did you add the lines to the DMF.INI file? Also did you update the burn engine?

Also rather than transcoding the audio from 44 to 48, can you the files with 48 audio so no reencoding is necessary? That seems to be the only difference between what you do and what I do (if you have the patches installed and the extra INI files.) I record on PVR250 with 48 KHz audio so no audio transcoding is necessary.

Pat
 

Harry

New member
Uli said:
It should be possible that VRD will save chapter points in this format in some future version?
that would be A.W.E.S.O.M.E. :D

i would like that, as dvdlab unfortunately has no audio preview
 

Uli

New member
Hi Pat,
phd said:
I assume after the complete reinstall using the NTSC option, you reinstalled all the patches?. Which patches did you install? Also did you add the lines to the DMF.INI file? Also did you update the burn engine?
I installed the upgrade patch to version 2.12. I added the three lines to the DMF.ini. I did not update the burn engine, since I do the testing with PowerDVD without burning or using Nero for Burning on RW.

Also rather than transcoding the audio from 44 to 48, can you the files with 48 audio so no reencoding is necessary? That seems to be the only difference between what you do and what I do (if you have the patches installed and the extra INI files.) I record on PVR250 with 48 KHz audio so no audio transcoding is necessary.
For new recordings I use 48 kHz, too. And the AV oos happens with original 48 kHz material.

But I have some older 44 kHz recordings, that have to be transcoded with DMF (very fast) or by the DVDlab external transcoder tool or by beSweet. But there ist no problem.

Uli
 

phd

Super Moderator
Hi Uli,

I think that the Burning Engine also affects the authoring to a DVD folder, so you might want to try it anyway. Nothing to lose.

Pat
 

Uli

New member
phd said:
I think that the Burning Engine also affects the authoring to a DVD folder, so you might want to try it anyway. Nothing to lose.
That sounds reasonable. I will try...

Uli
 

Peter

New member
Hi Pat,

I was looking at a fast way to add chapters, so I re-read this thread. In order to get to to the screen in MovieFactory, you have to have the "Create Scene Selection Menu" enabled, which it is by default.
Do you find that it takes a long time to process an mpeg file, before you get to the chapter screen?

It seems as if MF is scanning the whole mpeg. looking for 'chapter points' even though there are none in there (we add these manually).

Do you know if there is a quicker way to do this?

Maybe your version of MF doesn't take long, but mine takes 10 mins. to process a 90min. mpeg.

Peter
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Peter, After VRD editing, DMF2 takes about 30 secs to 1 min / hour of video to create automatic chapters, i.e. auto chapters every 5 min. If you scan for scenes it will take a long time as it has to at least scan every I-Frame and possibly more.
 

Peter

New member
As I don't have the option to 'auto-chapter' in DMF1, I guess I'm stuck with the long scan times if I want to chapter a video :(
 

Peter

New member
It's odd that some files (whether edited with VRD or not) do proceed to the chapter menu in seconds. Others take 10 minutes!

I just processed an hours video and it took two secs.!!

Why would some recordings be so vastly different?
 

phd

Super Moderator
Hi Peter,

In DMF1 some files do take a long time to import. Before VRD, in order to help ensure sync (but not guarantee it) I used to import the files without any editing. Although I would record everything with the PVR250 with the same setting, some of the files would take a long time to load into DMF1. Of these files a small subset would have problems with audio OOS and also have playback problems. Another portion would also display the warning on final output "Some chapter points exceed total number of frames." There seems to be some variability in the recording parameters of the Hauppauge PVR250 that I can't explain (and probably neither can Hauppauge.)

That's why you'll notice on the VideoReDo FAQ page, Ulead Movie Factory 1 is not listed. At the time of Beta testing I processed all files initially through both DMF1 and DMF2 for DVD authoring. Some files did not work properly in DMF1 but had no problem in DMF2 (unedited and edited files) That's why I switched to 100% usage of DMF2. It accepted and created all of the files in sync and without any error of "Some chapter points exceed total number of frames."

It may be time to switch to DMF2 or some other authoring program. Also on the PVR250 CD, there should be a copy of DMF2SE. You might want to check. Also, if you can still find it, DMF2 is probably dirt cheap since DMF3 has been out for a while. I don't have that much experience with DMF3 Disk Creator yet but other people have. (So far it looks good to me.) You'll also find other recommendations for more full features DVD authoring programs on this forum and also the SHS forum. The more popular ones are listed in the VRD FAQ page.
http://www.drdsystems.com/VideoReDo/FAQs.htm

Heed the warning about neoDVD though. Although I liked the program for unedited files and AC3 support initially, neoDVD does not like frame accurate edits so its essentially useless to me except as a simpler means of burning a DVD folder to disk. It also could not edit and reauthor my DVDs created on a standalone Philips recorder without audio sync problems.

Pat
 

Peter

New member
Or maybe I should wait until VRD incorporates authoring!! :D
Pat - what's your views on SVCD2DVD?
You can pm me on this, if you like.

Peter.

(Just looking on ebay for MF2 and up...)
 

Peter

New member
After using DVD MovieFactory 3 trial on my test file, I can now confirm that DVDMF1 has a problem with some files when scanning them prior to the chapter menu!

DVDMF3 was almost instant in processing the same file the ver. 1 took about 10 mins. to do.

Time to ditch it.
 

Uli

New member
Hi Pat,
phd said:
Hi Uli,

I think that the Burning Engine also affects the authoring to a DVD folder, so you might want to try it anyway. Nothing to lose.

Pat
yes, after installing the buring engine patch, the sync seems to be much better. From testing just a short clip I am not sure if it is perfect, but it is very much better.

I am viewing the resulting VOB file from disc using VRD. Without burning it to DVD, the burning engine seems to make a difference.

When I find again my installation CD of PowerDVD I will try the clips using PowerDVD, just to verify the result....

Uli
 

Peter

New member
I mentioned this in my post on this thread a couple of weeks ago Uli (13th Sept.) :D

I noticed that I did still have a sync problem with some VOBs from DMF3, so I d/l'd some files specific to the PVR-250, plus installed their (Ulead's) patch(es).

I think it's a matter of finding the right combo of patches with this stuff and when you get somewhere, stick with it - and don't upgrade anything!
('xcept VRD of course!)

VRD seems to be the only program that keeps stuff together. Ie. if it was in sync, it'll stay in sync!

I won't say that DMF3 is perfect yet, but the last one I did seemed good - maybe I've got the right combo of patches/versions/updates and tweaks!

... I can only dream...
 
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