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halfpipe

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Happy New Year (somewhat belated)
I'm pre-considering pre-ordering a 4k Sony FDR-AX100 and a Seiki 39" 4k screen when 1/2 my clients still want there stuff delivered on DVD... don't know whether to laugh or cry :) :( Anyway enough of an attempt at witty.
Can you point me to a discussion regarding the use of MKV from vrd burnt to dvd media and the playing thereof either by software or hardware players.
Many thanks
Bruce
 

glenpinn

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Hi, this will be interesting to see what response you get.

Firstly, why are you contemplating a 4k camera and screen, personally i think 4k is pointless right now, and i think that the sony camera you refer to is very disappointing from what i have read and seen about it, but that is to be expected with first release cameras, and i would be holding off until the format matures more, and the cameras improve in both quality and features, and prices start dropping.

Secondly, when you say half your clients want stuff delivered on dvd, do you mean dvd format, or do you mean burning mkv files to dvd disc (as a data disc) so they can be played back via a dvd player onto a tv.
If it is the 2nd option, why dont you tell your clients to buy a usb powered portable hdd and just copy the mkv files to that drive, and plug it directly into their HD tv and use the built in media player for playback.
I have been doing this now for 3 to 4 years, ever since HD tv's had usb ports and built in media player.
The down side to this is that older HD tv's with usb were not capable of playing certain resolutions, frame rates or codec/containers, but most newer HD tv's do these days.
For better playback support, the other alternative is to get your clients to buy one of those cheap hdd media players that you conect to your HD tv via hdmi, there are plenty of them out there, and all now support all formats, resolutions and frame rates.
Some you fit a laptop or desktop pc hdd inside, and others are small units that you simply plug your portable hdd into and play your videos from that thru the media box onto the tv.

I have several Western digital live media players in my home (one on each tv) and we have 1x 2tb usb powered portable hdd that we have all our movies and 1080/50p family videos on, and we just plug it into whatever tv we happen to be watching.

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330

Everyone i know now uses one of these with a portable hdd, or they play their videos directly onto the tv from the portable hdd.

cheers
 
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Dan203

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The only plug & play system is to author a Video DVD. (Or BD if you want HD) Everything else is going to require special software or capable hardware to play. While there are a lot of DVD players that can play video files from a data disc there is no guarantee and even when they do UI isn't always easy to use.
 

glenpinn

Member
@glenpinn
With all respect sir, You are not reading the right material regarding the FDR-AX100
Inform yourself on the camera here: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/digital-video-industry-news/520933-sony-fdr-ax100.html
I'm an event videographer and just before Christmas I bought 1500 discs which are almost gone now so giving these long instructions to each of those people is just a little too much.
Need a plug and play system utilizing a dvd disc
No disrespect to you, but firstly, just because you are an events videographer (just as i am) it does not make everything you say right and everyone else is wrong, and i know all about that sony camera, its basically a down scaled consumer grade version of the AX100, and consumer grade 4k cameras are still very much in their infancy, and need a lot of improving before they ever become main stream, and before buying that camera, i hope you have a try of one first, and then you need to think long and hard about your investment, because there is not going to be many consumers out there who will ever move to 4k hardware because of the extreme cost of doing so, not unless you are going to shoot 4k video and then reconvert it to a lower resolution so everyone is able to watch it.

Now, i dont know what camera you are using, nor what format you shoot in, nor do i know what your workflow consists of when editing your video, but it would help to add this to your next post, just so i understand a bit more about what you require, but if you are shooting in HD format and converting your files to MKV and then burning them to dvd discs (data dvd) so your clients can play them back on their dvd players, then little wonder you are using up so many discs, and for a lot less money, you can buy a 500gb usb powered portable hdd and get your clients to plug it straight into their HD tv if it has a usb port, and the tv supports your output file format (read my rant about not using mkv)

I shoot my wedding and corporate video in 1080/50p avchd @ 28Mbps, i edit the MTS files and mux (no re-encoding) them to 1080/50p m2ts in VRD and this is used as my final output video for archiving once my client is happy with it, i then output that file into an mp4 container using VRD without re-encoding it, and i then output the edited 1080/50p m2ts file to 720/50p m2ts and mp4 containers, and all 4 files are given to my clients on a 500gb usb powered portable hdd for playback on HD tv or via a hdd based media player.

Because i shoot in HD format, i do not convert it (down scale) to dvd format later on, even if my clients ask me to, nor do i get asked to burn wedding videos to bluray because nobody has a bluray player anyway, and everyone i know, including all my clients, use a usb powered portable hdd plugged into their HD tv and they play the videos directly from that hdd via the tv media player, and some prefer to use a hdd based media player, like the one i linked to in my previous post.

Finally regarding MKV, you do realize that although MKV may be a popular container for HD video, it does not have the same playback support as the MP4 container does when playing them directly thru a HD tv or hard drive based media player, and thats why i also convert my m2ts files to an MP4 container for all my clients as well, just in case their ployback device doesnt support m2ts files.
 
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glenpinn

Member
The only plug & play system is to author a Video DVD. (Or BD if you want HD) Everything else is going to require special software or capable hardware to play. While there are a lot of DVD players that can play video files from a data disc there is no guarantee and even when they do UI isn't always easy to use.
True, many HD tv's have had some sort of USB media playback support using its inbuilt media player, however these often had very limited support, most would play the older divX and Xvid (avi) files, and maybe 720/25p mp4 and that was it, but as time has passed, many newer HD tv's now support up to 1080/50p (1080/60p ntsc) in m2ts and mp4, but still struggle with MKV files, which is why i dont use MKV.

Most newer hard drive based media players have much better playback support than any HD tv has, and they do support MKV files, but dvd format, or the use of dvd players to play video files from a data dvd via a dvd player is a thing of the past, people need to remember that it is now 2014 and time to move on.
 
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T_Scheen

New member
Happy New Year (somewhat belated)
I'm pre-considering pre-ordering a 4k Sony FDR-AX100 and a Seiki 39" 4k screen when 1/2 my clients still want there stuff delivered on DVD... don't know whether to laugh or cry :) :( Anyway enough of an attempt at witty.
Can you point me to a discussion regarding the use of MKV from vrd burnt to dvd media and the playing thereof either by software or hardware players.
Many thanks
Bruce
Hi Bruce,
If the videoclips are for you, go for it and preorder it. But you should consider adding a new PC to that shopping list as well - Editing 50mbps streams requires a PC powerhouse.
If the videoclips are for others, I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon yet.
What is the point in producing 4k clips if your customers do not have a 4k TV ?
Btw, if 20mbps is an acceptable h.264 rate for full HD (1920x1080) or 2k, shouldn't 4k (3840x2160) be +- 80mbps instead of 50mbps ?
 
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glenpinn

Member
Hi Bruce,
If the videoclips are for you, go for it and preorder it. But you should consider adding a new PC to that shopping list as well - Editing 50mbps streams requires a PC powerhouse.
If the videoclips are for others, I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon yet.
What is the point in producing 4k clips if your customers do not have a 4k TV ?
Btw, if 20mbps is an acceptable h.264 rate for full HD (1920x1080) or 2k, shouldn't 4k (3840x2160) be +- 80mbps instead of 50mbps ?
hi m8, you bought up an interesting point about the PC he uses, and may have to upgrade, but he has not mentioned specifics regarding what camera he uses, what format he shoots in, nor much else regarding his editing workflow, so without that, who really knows what he is doing.

i agree that for his own purpose, getting into 4k tv and camera would be ok, but as you pointed out, he will not be able to do much with it unless he re-converts his 4k files down to at least full HD so everyone else can watch it, and for consumer use, i see no point at all in 4k.

cheers
 

halfpipe

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Of course the new camera is for me and that "to die for video". The wow effect is purely for my satisfaction. Been a working cameraman since 1970 and just can't wait to see this iteration of my video so sharp and life like it will be a thrill and make me feel good about how clear the video is.
I'm all about Image quality whereas content dominates client's perception and that's the proper thing because they or their children are the content. So long as the overall video meets their minimum expectations they are cool with it.(for the most part)
No doubt the 4k video will boil down to even nicer BD and dvd just as hdv made sd look so dismal and the way DV out-shone vhs
btw I don't do weddings and have very little info to offer.
Hi Bruce,
If the videoclips are for you, go for it and preorder it. But you should consider adding a new PC to that shopping list as well - Editing 50mbps streams requires a PC powerhouse.
If the videoclips are for others, I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon yet.
What is the point in producing 4k clips if your customers do not have a 4k TV ?
Btw, if 20mbps is an acceptable h.264 rate for full HD (1920x1080) or 2k, shouldn't 4k (3840x2160) be +- 80mbps instead of 50mbps ?
 
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glenpinn

Member
btw I don't do weddings and have very little info to offer.
maybe you are deliberately avoiding me, but i was curious as to the camera you are currently shooting video with, and the format you shoot in, and how you output the video, but it seems you are not prepared to offer that to me, so i will just wish you well in your mission.

cheers
 

glenpinn

Member
I'm contemplating the DJI Phantom (V2) as well - if my wife agrees...:)

@glenpinn: Have a look a this clip, shot with the DJI Phantom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4o1_XOJTlA
That should bring you new customers, no ?
already looked into this japanese one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh2Ym7ehb8k

seriously, the phantom is a great toy, but appears to have some issues apparently, and found this guy who made a fix for the shaking in his GoPro video from the phantom, seems to make a lot of sense.

i know these GoPro cameras dont have a preview screen, but if you do use it like in this video, can you actually view what is being shot on some kind of external screen on the ground, or is it a case of just hoping the video will look ok.

my son studies film & television at uni here in australia, and he has a GoPro (the new model) but he lives in melbourne and im in sydney so i have not seen it yet.
 
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T_Scheen

New member
Haven't heard of any issues in related forums - Note: With the V2 of the DJI Phantom, you can use your smartphone via WiFi to control picture/video and to tilt the cam. Awesome !
 

glenpinn

Member
Haven't heard of any issues in related forums - Note: With the V2 of the DJI Phantom, you can use your smartphone via WiFi to control picture/video and to tilt the cam. Awesome !
there is still lots of stuff in youtube about the pitfalls of these phantoms, and i still dont see how it can produce perfect video straight from the box without any modification, but there seems to be lots of people tinkering with these toys to get them perfect, but i see the potential in them when they are working right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7058PKBvDAk

it also appears that the only camera that can be used it a GoPro, curious if that will ever change.

cheers

edit: does the GoPro have some sort of image stabilizer in it, which if it does, would help somewhat with video jerkiness while attached to the phantom.

edit 2: having said all that, it has still got me very interested and keen to look into it more, especially if the video is free of jerkiness or have that jello look, and if i can use a camera that shoots in 1080/50p :)
 
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T_Scheen

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it also appears that the only camera that can be used it a GoPro, curious if that will ever change.

edit 2: having said all that, it has still got me very interested and keen to look into it more, especially if the video is free of jerkiness or have that jello look, and if i can use a camera that shoots in 1080/50p :)
No, that's why I referred to the V2 of the DJI Phantom. Have a look at the specs of their homepage:
http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-2-vision/
Go to Youtube and search for 'DJI Phantom 2', you'll find lots of immaculate aerial shots...
 
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