Looking for recipe: want to create BluRay of OTA HDTV clips

dsperber

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I don't know what happened during your trial but I do have some suggestions that might help you isolate the issue.
Many thanks for all of your ideas and suggestions.

As you can tell from my reply above, I've actually made terrific progress. Turns out the problem seems to be with the title menu produced by multiAVCHD, which can actually be handled by PowerDVD9 Ultra on my computer even if it cannot be handled by both my real Oppo BDP-83 as well as by Roxio CinePlayer with BluRay Plugin on my computer.

And, playing it with PDVD9, it turns out that the actual disc output is GORGEOUS!!! It is truly the original M2TS HDTV... untampered with and untouched. Looks straight-through an exact copy and exact quality duplicate of the original HDTV clip. FANTASTIC!!!

Furthermore, the audio is genuinely the original AC3 DD5.1 audio as well!!! FANTASTIC!!!

So, with that accomplished it's now clear that multiAVCHD is the tool for me... if only I can figure out how to correct the title menu problem.


1) As Anole suggested, I'd start with a single file and wouldn't progress to multiple files until after I'd worked out the settings and steps to process single files.
No need to go back to scratch. The problem is in the title menu, and I suspect we can figure out what I did wrong here that's causing the problem.


2) If you have access to software (eg I use Total Media Theater) that will recognize and allow you to play a movie from a Blu-ray folder rather than a physical Blu-ray disk
Well actually PDVD9 can play BluRay from a folder, but again PDVD9 can actually play directly from what I thought was a problem BD disc.

Somehow PDVD9 can deal with the problem menu, whereas CinePlayer cannot and my real Oppo BDP-83 cannot. So I need to fix the title generation, and everything else is PERFECT.


I'd eliminate the ImgBurn component of the process and just try to play the video from the folder structure produced by multiAVCHD.
Actually, I didn't invoke ImgBurn from multiAVCHD. I did run it as a separate second step.


Once I'm sure that the multiAVCHD folder structure plays correctly, then I'd try burning this structure to a Blu-ray disk using ImgBurn and check to see if it still plays correctly. This will allow you to isolate your problem to either multiAVCHD or ImgBurn and then you can concentrate your efforts on the appropriate issue.
The problem is specifically to do with the title menu. Everything else was perfect, and the 21 clips play perfectly and gorgeously... with original AC3 DD5.1 audio.


3) When you produced your video using multiAVCHD, what output option did you select? I use either "AVCHD relaxed" (for files that will fit on a DVD+R/DL disk) or "For All Blu-ray Players" (for files that won't fit on a DVD+R/DL disk).
Same here.


4) When you burned your disk using ImgBurn, did ImgBurn recognize that your input was a video or did it attempt to produce a data disk.
Video. I pointed to the very same destination folder (and sub-folder) that multiAVCHD wrote to, and ImgBurn looked inside and found the BDMV folder it was seeking.


5) When you burned your disk using ImgBurn, did you select the option to have ImgBurn verify the disk.
Yes. That's the default and I left it checked.


6) With respect to your specific question, I have no H.264 parameters specified in multiAVCHD. One of the advantages of multiAVCHD is that, if you provide it Blu-ray compatible files, it will accept the files as they are and generate the appropriate menu and folder structure without requiring recoding of the underlying files, with a resultant loss in quality.
This is apparently what happens with my M2TS files, and they apparently get written "as-is", with no re-compression or conversion to H.264. I guess it must be the original pure MPEG-2 TS data and format that gets written to BD for these clips, which is EXACTLY WHAT I WANT! It produces EXACTLY THE SAME QUALITY HDTV WHEN PLAYED BACK (via PDVD9, on my computer, for the moment) AS PER THE ORIGINAL HDTV BROADCAST.

As you point out, since these M2TS clips are perfectly Blu-Ray compatible that explains both why the output is an exact duplicate, as well as why the rendering process took so little time. EXCELLENT!


I capture my files in a Blu-ray compatible format (either mpeg or H.264 depending on source)
My clips are all from true HDTV format sources: (a) recordings from WMC, in WTV form, (b) recordings from BeyondTV, in MPG/TS form, or (c) copies from DVHS tape offloads via firewire from my TWC/LA Moto family HD-DVR, copied from DVHS tape to PC using CapDVHS under WinXP.

These are all essentially M2TS files, actually TS underneath it all.


and then use multiAVCHD to generate the appropriate menu and disk structure.
Well, I need to go back and review what I did (or did not) specify to build my title menu, because that's obviously what I did wrong. I may ask for more of your guidance here, since that's specifically what's causing my playback problem.


If necessary, I use VideoReDo to process/reencode the video files before inputting them into multiAVCHD.
As do I, to edit the TS files or equivalent versions in different wrappers.

Actually, the reason my edited clips are in M2TS form is because I've been saving the edited output from VideoRedo in MPG form, because VirtualDub cannot accept TS input and I also like to make video clips for my computer.

Since multiAVCHD can apparently accept either TS or M2TS and pass them through as-is, I will likely continue to edit using VideoRedo and put out MPG, in order to easily be able to feed both multiAVCHD and VirtualDub.


So, here's the really interesting fact about what PDVD9 revealed to me about the title menu that surely must be the cause of the problem. Maybe you can easily tell me what I did or did not do that caused the title menu to come out this way.

In fact, the 21 clips got categorized as "21 TITLES", each title containing just 1 chapter. I thought I was producing 1 TITLE with 21 chapters, but obviously did not achieve that result.

So when PDVD9 presents the TOP MENU I can use the arrow keys to navigate to either titles or chapters, but if I choose "chapter" I only see one thumbnail (namely the current clip, in the current title). If I instead choose "titles" I see 21 thumbnails, and can then use the mouse to click on any one of them.

===> I will go back and walk through the project definition process, to see what I mis-specified that caused me to end up with 21 titles of 1 chapter each, when I wanted 1 title with 21 chapters.

I suspect this is what is causing my Oppo the heart attack it had, along with confounding CinePlayer. I'm sure that if get this title menu issue straightened out that all three player mechanisms will work just fine.


There was one other oddity I saw with PDVD9 that I dn't know if it's tied to the odd title structure or not.

When PDVD9 started playing the disc (i.e. presented the main title menu) Win7 changed the desktop format from AERO to BASIC. This hasn't happened to me before. I've seen that happen when using the PDVD9 addin under WMC to play DVD/BD, but I've never seen this symptom when running PDVD9 "standalone external" which is exactly how I'm doing this right now.

And yet, something about the multiAVCHD-produced BD cause standalone external PDVD9 to cause Win7 to revert to BASIC desktop color scheme. Once I get the title problem solved I'll see if this AERO->BASIC symptom still persists.
 

JerryB

Member
It sounds like you have most of the issues resolved and now just need to figure out what's causing the incompatability with your other hardware and software.

There are options within multiAVCHD that may help resolve this problem but you'll need to experiment to see if any of them makes a difference. Specifically, I'd check to see what results you get with your 3 players if you create and burn the disk using "AVCHD relaxed", "AVCHD strict", and "For all Blu-ray Player" options.

Also, by multiAVCHD tab, here are the options/settings that work for me:

1) Author tab -> Create top menu, XMB menu, skip welcome screen, Force black fill for non-compliant titles, Forcer AVC/H.264 level 4.1 flag, set 12 equal chapter jumps, TV system NTSC, Transcode media fit (MiB) 7950, Media (m2ts) split at (MiB) 0, Stricter AVCHD folder format, audio titles options 3000 kbps, black background for audio titles, and all 4 auto-load options.

2) Menu tab -> Create Chapter menu pages. I've also changed which buttons show on my Title page but those changes shouldn't be relavent to your situation.

3) Subtitles & Audio tab-> Using default settings.

4) Settings tab -> Delete all files in temp folder, Move transitional files, Create log file, Verbose logging, Auto set transcode for non-compliant titles, Discard settings from project files, Prompt to import pictures for slide-show, prompt to update multiAVCHD, Insert sequence parameter sets, Insert enhancement information, Real-time transcoding preview, Use ImgBurn with DVD/DV-R output.

Hopefully, these will help you locate your problem.

The way I use multiAVCHD, each file represents one title. There may be a way to get multiAVCHD to combine multiple files into a single title but I've never tried that so you'll need to find someone else to help with that. I do have multiAVCHD create chapters for each title as outlined above.

I have the same problem issue with TotalMedia Theater that you have with PDVD9. It switches the screen from Aero to Basic. The screen switches back to Aero as soon as I close TotalMedia Theater. This is not a multiAVCHD specific problem since it occurs with commercial Blu-rays as well.
 

dsperber

Member
It sounds like you have most of the issues resolved and now just need to figure out what's causing the incompatability with your other hardware and software.
I'm sure it's strictly related to the menu structure that's coming out of my settings.

I could live with a main menu that has 21 titles of 1 chapter each, as long as I can still navigate to any of those titles easily. I just thought I should be able to organize things any way I wanted (e.g. 2 titles, one of which has 8 chapters and the other of which has 13 chapters, if that's how I wanted it to appear) and I can't figure out yet how to make that happen.

But I don't think it's the 21 titles which is the problem. I think it's something else tied to the main menu which is responsible for the difficulty.


There are options within multiAVCHD that may help resolve this problem but you'll need to experiment to see if any of them makes a difference.
Ideally I should experiment with folder output only, not wasting $3.50 per disc for each experiment until I get that right.


Also, by multiAVCHD tab, here are the options/settings that work for me:

1) Author tab -> Create top menu, XMB menu, skip welcome screen, Force black fill for non-compliant titles, Forcer AVC/H.264 level 4.1 flag, set 12 equal chapter jumps, TV system NTSC, Transcode media fit (MiB) 7950, Media (m2ts) split at (MiB) 0, Stricter AVCHD folder format, audio titles options 3000 kbps, black background for audio titles, and all 4 auto-load options.
These are not the defaults, but could be relevant.

On my project in the Menu style and options box I also have checked (a) add pop-up menu and (b) add title-list menu checked. I don't know what these mean, but I didn't check them on... they were on by default.

Also, in the Playback sequence box I have (a) play all (sequential playback), and (b) action after last title is "go to stand-by mode" but this should probably better be "display menu".

In the Video & chapters box I do not have set 12 equal chapter jumps. I want my chapters to be manually set by me, either to be the start of individual clips or perhaps someday some internal interesting location... but in any case it should be of my manual choosing. Plus, un-checked was the default.

In the General box I have the original default value of 4000 for Media (m2ts) split at (MiB), whereas you have 0. What does this mean? I have no idea, but didn't change it. Certainly doesn't seem relevant to my menu problem.


2) Menu tab -> Create Chapter menu pages. I've also changed which buttons show on my Title page but those changes shouldn't be relevant to your situation.
Well here's a suspicious difference...

On the General tab I still have the default (a) create audio/subtitle setup pages, (b) color frame for thumbnails, and (c) show build and time in footer.


3) Subtitles & Audio tab-> Using default settings.
Same.


4) Settings tab -> Delete all files in temp folder, Move transitional files, Create log file, Verbose logging, Auto set transcode for non-compliant titles, Discard settings from project files, Prompt to import pictures for slide-show, prompt to update multiAVCHD, Insert sequence parameter sets, Insert enhancement information, Real-time transcoding preview, Use ImgBurn with DVD/DV-R output.
I didn't check auto set transcode for non-compliant titles (un-checked is the default), but I'm not planning on including any non-compliant titles. However again, this seems unrelated to the main title issue.


Hopefully, these will help you locate your problem.
I'll do some more experimenting, varying those items above which I've pointed out might be relevant.


The way I use multiAVCHD, each file represents one title. There may be a way to get multiAVCHD to combine multiple files into a single title but I've never tried that so you'll need to find someone else to help with that. I do have multiAVCHD create chapters for each title as outlined above.
Seems like a common need.

What if I want to pack as many "programs" from a TV series as I can get on a single BluRay disc. It makes sense to have each program be a title by itself. Then within each program (i.e. title) there would naturally be multiple chapters, such as segments between commercial pods, or individual performance number segments on singing or dancing programs, etc.

Surely there has to be a way to mark these "folder and sub-folder" organizations, into titles and chapters within titles. I'll do some research into this.


I have the same problem issue with TotalMedia Theater that you have with PDVD9. It switches the screen from Aero to Basic. The screen switches back to Aero as soon as I close TotalMedia Theater. This is not a multiAVCHD specific problem since it occurs with commercial Blu-rays as well.
Interesting.
 

JerryB

Member
Couple more points, I checked the multiAVCHD forum and found that 12 titles on a disk is fine so that shouldn't be your problem. Also, according to the forum, the software is able to combine multiple files into a single title so you should be able to generate one title with multiple chapters. As you said, that is a common need so I'm not surprised the software handle it. It's just a matter of finding right switch/setting to do this.

WIth respect to the options, I just copied my current settings which were based on a one title output. In this, case, I don't have multiAVCHD create a title list menu since it would only contain one item. When I create a disk with more than one title, I do have multiAVCHD create a title list menu which is what the "add title list" option does. There is nothing wrong with this menu option and you should continue to leave it selected if/when you are creating a multi-title disk.

Also, there is nothing wrong with specifically defining chapter points, at which point you would ignore my selection to have multiAVCHD create a 12 equal chapter points. Most of the time, my family is going to watch a movie from beginning to end so it doesn't pay, time wise, for me to spend a lot of time defining specific chapters when creating the disk. The 12 equal chapter point setting is sufficient for most of my needs. However, I turn this setting off and do define specific chapter points when indicated so either option shouldn't be causing your problem.

To me, the default splits that multiAVCHD uses are a throwback to a time when file size was limited by disk size and the operating system. I've adjusted those settings as to not physically split my media file into multiple smaller files when creating the disk folder. However, there is nothing wrong with the default settings so that shouldn't be your problem.

I agree that it makes much more sense to return to the menu after the last action is completed rather than to go into standby mode.

Most of my files don't have multiple audio and subtitle tracts, which is why I don't select the option to create an audio and subtitle menu. Also, I don't see any reason to display the multiAVCHD build on the menu which is why I don't have this item selected.

Whether you check the option to transcode for non-compliant files or not, shouldn't have any affect since neither you nor I are using non-compliant files. I think I just checked it to be safe when I originally setup multiAVCHD. I've yet to have multiAVCHD transcode one of my files, so it certainly doesn't make a difference.

The differences that I think you should concentration on are the ones I'm less familiar with, namely, the pop-up menu, the color frame for thumbnails, starting with play all rather than the menu, and the force level 4.1 flag.

If none of these solve the problem, then I'd suggest asking the author directly on the multiAVCHD forum.
 

dsperber

Member
If none of these solve the problem, then I'd suggest asking the author directly on the multiAVCHD forum.
In fact, I have started a thread over on that forum yesterday, and have now been interacting with Dean about my issues. You can check out our discussion.

Turns out tremendous progress has been made, on all fronts. Only one small issue remains, and I'm sure I'm just not seeing something. I suspect the next response from Dean with show me the error of my ways.

But here are the answers I was seeking.

(1) To create titles containing multiple chapters, you create a folder for each title and place all the clips for the scenes which are to be considered chapters inside of that folder.

You then drop each of these folders one at a time onto multiAVCHD's Add Video interface area, waiting until the acceptance process completes. You will be prompted as to whether you'd like the multiple files inside that folder to be "auto-joined" into a single file which corresponds to a single title. Of course you'd say yes.

The auto-join process eventually finishes (with the single output file unfortunately being placed in a \TEMP directory under the multiAVCHD program directory in \Program Files (x86) on the Win7 boot partition, rather than going somewhere else much more appropriate that the user can specify... because currently there's no option to specify the target folder for the joined files). And during this process chapter marks are determined for the location of each first frame of each source clip that went into the join, and saved as a TXT file.

Theoretically this TXT file containing the automatically calculated chapter points within the single joined output file can then be used to actually build the Chapter Menu for that Title... although that's the one problem I have remaining, as I can't seem to figure out how to make that happen. But in theory this works.

(2) The reason I was getting a black screen on my HDTV with "TOP MENU" displayed, was because I had my Oppo player's output video resolution set to "source direct". This is like "native" on a Motorola DVR, which is what I wanted here since these particular clips are from a 720p HDTV channel. I did not want them upconverted to 1080i for display, at least not by the BluRay player. I wanted the untouched source to be sent "native" 720p to my HDTV, and then let the HDTV do any further video processing it wants to.

That's what "source direct" means.

Anyway, I actually discovered by accident that although my HDTV's screen was black the Oppo player itself was actually responding correctly to all the navigation buttons on the remote! It was like the menus were "invisible", but there! And I could navigate "blind", and I actually could play the clips (all 21 titles from yesterday, and today's 2 titles, both with 1 chapter per title though that's not what I wanted to achieve). And sure enough they played at 720p, as I wanted. Just the title and chapter menus were black.

Well it dawned on me that the video resolution might be at play here, if the clips (and main BD content) were created for 720p but the menus required 1080i. What would happen? Obviously, multiAVCHD did not create the menus at 720p, nor did they seem to be at 1080i... but rather they seemed "corrupted" since my HDTV displayed black.

And once I changed my Oppo to use "auto" (i.e. the highest resolution accepted by the HDTV, in this case 1080i) sure enough now all the menus displayed perfectly! Of course my clips were also upconverted from 720p to 1080i, which is not what I wanted, but unless multiAVCHD downconverts its menus to 720p to match all of the clips I don't know that there's any other solution.

Nevertheless, now that this is all at least understood I suspect Dean will come up with an appropriate solution and program fix.

(3) Turns out the XMB menu is fine, as is the non-XMB approach (i.e. go straight to the title list menu, which can also be reached from the popup menu bar... which also works perfectly, now that I can see it and understand what it actually is and that it is produced from the "popup menu" button on my remote).

So I will likely return to the XMB menu format, as it's very informative and pretty to look at.

(4) I have "complained" to Dean about the thumbnail caption text, specifically on the title menus, which is NOT user-defined. Instead it is automatically derived purely from the file names that correspond to titles. That's crazy.

For a joined file, you don't even have the option to name the output what you want (unless I'm missing something), and the auto-generated name for the output file is very long.

So the thumbnail caption text font is correspondingly "microscopic" in order to fit under the thumbnail! This is crazy!

Obviously the user should have the ability to title any thumbnail any way desired, entering the text for both title and chapter thumbnails. At least that's how I see things. Unfortunately this is not currently possible, so getting captions to be reasonable and meaningful requires spending lots of pre-assembly time renaming files, manually joining and then renaming and then adding the joined result that is now correctly named, etc. This is crazy!

All that's needed is the ability for the user to enter the caption text in some dialog (perhaps also supporting user-specified font style and size), for both title and chapter thumbnails. Isn't this really part of "properties"? It's not currently but it really should be.


So... EXCELLENT PROGRESS! I now have achieved just about everything I want, and also see the limitations or special quirks and requirements of this authoring software.

I only need to learn how to actually create the chapter menu from this auto-join process, and I'll be home free.

Again, many thanks for your help on this thread.
 

Anole

Moderator
Thanks for the update!
Looks like a valuable tool to use with VideoReDo.
The extra exposure and feedback will accelerate the debugging and improvements. - :cool:
 

JerryB

Member
Agreed, thanks for the update. I did not see your thread on the multiAVCHD forum but have now located it. You've provided some very useful information on that will help with my future projects. Hopefully, Dean will be able to quickly address the remaining issues.
 

dsperber

Member
Finally got a BD that I believe gives me just about exactly what I want (at least for this first experiment, to learn about multiAVCHD and its quirks).

A few more insights since my last post...

(1) The menus produced for NTSC by multiAVCHD are 1920x1080p, not 1080i. Well my HDTV (a Sony CRT, the renowned 34XBR960 that of course "they don't make anymore") only accepts 1080i input.

And THAT is why I was getting a black screen when my Oppo player was set at "source direct". I was getting 720p for my title files (which displayed fine), and 1080p from the menus (which did not display at all).

Only after setting the Oppo to "auto" (which detects the highest acceptable source resolution for the HDTV, via HDMI handshake) was the 1080p menu downconverted to 1080i, and hence why I was now able to see the menus on my HDTV.

To me, this is kind of unacceptable. 1080p source is a relatively new "standard" for HDTV, but certainly there are older HDTVs (even LCD) that only accept up to 1080i. I've suggested to Dean that he allow the user to specify menu resolution, and not just "NTSC" which simply forced 1080p.

Actually, since my title files are 720p, I'd rather have my menus at 720p as well so that my HDTV does not have to spend 1-2 second changing resolutions when I transition from clips to menus and back. So adding 720p as well as 1080i to this proposed new option would be something I would utilized on this particular project (since all my HDTV clips for this project are 720p, because FOX uses 720p).

(2) I learned how to change the actual title text (on the main menu). Yes, it's default populated from the file name. But on the Properties dialog you can actually change that text. When you push OK and return back to the Media tab, sure enough the new text is what is shown in the media list.

(3) I learned that using the auto-generated chapter TXT file (from the auto-join process stemming from dropping the folder containing multiple files) is performed by again getting into the Properties dialog and selecting the Chapters tab and then pushing the "use" button.

I again pushed OK, thinking it would be saved, but that didn't seem to work. I had to do it a second time, and this time pushed the SAVE button (to actually save the project). I may just not have clicked hard enough, or it may be a program bug. Anyway, I eventually got the chapter list correctly utilized (and saved) for both of my multi-scene titles.

(4) Unfortunately, there is no caption text presented underneath each chapter thumbnail. So naturally there is also no way to change that non-existent text. I consider this a "wish it was there" feature request.

(5) I also discovered for myself the answer to what the differences were in the three different main menu styles, as well as what the "classic title-list" was... once I saw that there was actually a way to PREVIEW all of these menus (including the Chapter menu for each title). A picture's worth a thousand words, and trying out each different style through the preview was exactly that experience.

Turns out "classic title-list" is much easier to read, as the title text is outside of the thumbnail and is in larger font size. I will go with it. But the XMB main menu is just fine by me.

(6) One new mystery (now that I have a real chapter menu) is that playing the disc with PDVD9 when I click on the "show menus" button I am only presented with the Top Menu option. I'm not presented with the Chapter menu option for the title which is currently playing. This seems wrong. I'm going to see what happens when I play the disc on my Oppo, and use the popup menu to request the Chapter list... on this new disc 3.


So... looks like unless and until Dean changes the program to produce user-specified video resolution for the menus, I'm going to have to live with my Oppo player set to upconvert the 720p videos into 1080i... at least for presentation on my XBR960. I don't have another BluRay player at my other newer Sony XBR9 LCD, but if I did then obviously the 1080p menus would have presented no problem.

Sure wish I could have caption text under chapter thumbnails... and that these chapter thumbnails were a bit larger.

This has definitely been well worth the cost of three BD discs on this learning effort. I think I could probably have used a DVD+R/DL instead but my Panny burner actually writes the BD discs at 4X whereas the DL DVDs are at 2.5X I think. Anyway, I'm fine.

Next experiment... see what "motion title thumbnails" look like, along with motion chapters. Now THAT should be fun.
 

Anole

Moderator
The cost of the discs is trivial.
Good value for the results you achieved.

As for "motion" menus, ConvertXtoDVD does those automatically, taking more rendering time, and generally making a larger 'n more complicated disc.
I find such totally needless and unattractive, and prefer streamlined simplicity.
However, to each his own! - :D
 

JerryB

Member
(6) One new mystery (now that I have a real chapter menu) is that playing the disc with PDVD9 when I click on the "show menus" button I am only presented with the Top Menu option. I'm not presented with the Chapter menu option for the title which is currently playing. This seems wrong. I'm going to see what happens when I play the disc on my Oppo, and use the popup menu to request the Chapter list... on this new disc 3.
I check my most recent disk using both TotalMedia and my BR player. As you discovered, the chapter menu is not recognized as such by either and selecting menu brings up the main menu. I'm going to create a Pop-up menu on my next disk to see if that will allow me to directly bring up a chapter menu.

I agree it would be nice if the generated menu matched the resolution of the source material, although I don't know if this can be easily implemented.
 

dsperber

Member
I check my most recent disk using both TotalMedia and my BR player. As you discovered, the chapter menu is not recognized as such by either and selecting menu brings up the main menu. I'm going to create a Pop-up menu on my next disk to see if that will allow me to directly bring up a chapter menu.
My experiment using the real Oppo player showed that using the popup menu the "chapter list" item DOES produce the multiAVCHD version of that menu.

Since I had specified the XMB format for the main menu, the "chapter list" menu appears as much of the upper part of the screen being the main menu with the currently playing title selected (i.e. the BIG thumbnail in the middle with the text and technical details about the title displayed just to its right). Then the chapters are represented as two rows of un-annotated smaller thumbnails presented in the lower 30% or so of the screen.

This is certainly how it looks when do the chapter list Preview while in multiAVCHD making the disc in the first place, so I guess that's what was intended.

Also, navigating from the Top Menu (in the Oppo) where both Titles and Chapters are shown as navigable items, if I navigate to the Chapters button and push OK, I get the very same presentation for whichever title I'd currently got selected (through the up/down arrows).

So all in all, that's apparently what the chapter menu presentation is expected to be and look like, and seems to be accessible either from the Top Menu itself (by navigating to the Chapters button) or from the popup menu (which works directly).

I don't know why PDVD9 doesn't show it as actually present on its list of available menus. But frankly, I only really care about how the disc plays on my Oppo... which at the moment looks like "as expected".


I agree it would be nice if the generated menu matched the resolution of the source material, although I don't know if this can be easily implemented.
According to Dean, with v3 of the program he put out 1080i only. He changed it with v4 to put out 1080p only.

Surely he can make a change allow the user to specify which one is wanted, or to "auto-choose" based on scanning the resolution attributes of each title which is information that is clearly available since it shows on the media list and on the main menu for each title.

And it also shouldn't be any problem to add a third choice, for 720p... which (in my case) could really be the best choice if all titles are also 720p. This would prevent forcing the HDTV from switching resolutions when going from titles to menus. And this could either be a third manual choice value, or again "auto-determined" as approrpriate.

But this may never get done.
 

dsperber

Member
The cost of the discs is trivial.
Good value for the results you achieved.
I could probably go forward experimenting with a much smaller set of files, keeping the total disc size down below that of a single-layer DVD and just use that method to play and learn, rather than wasting expensive BD media.

I'm still not ready to burn the whole "Version 1, Volume 1" real BD disc yet anyway.


As for "motion" menus, ConvertXtoDVD does those automatically, taking more rendering time, and generally making a larger 'n more complicated disc.
I find such totally needless and unattractive, and prefer streamlined simplicity.
Sounds like wise and true commentary.
 

Anole

Moderator
I could probably go forward experimenting with a much smaller set of files, keeping the total disc size down below that of a single-layer DVD and just use that method to play and learn, rather than wasting expensive BD media.
I spend 15¢ on single layer DVD blanks. Maybe up to 25¢ if they are printable.
Needless to say, I consider DVDs to be throw-away (or give-away) items. - :cool:
And, I'll debug my work on single layer, prior to switching to dual-layer DVDs.
Last time I looked, blu-ray blanks were between $2 and $3.50 , on sale.
I don't have a blu-ray burner, but it's rapidly becoming more attractive! - ;)
According to Dean, with v3 of the program he put out 1080i only. He changed it with v4 to put out 1080p only.
:rolleyes: Shows no understanding what the rest of us have to put up with.
His TV does 1080p, so that's all he supports.
Hope we can educate him to deal with the real world. - :D
Because he's certainly off to a good start!
 

Stumped

New member
dsperber,

I need some enlightenment as I too want to burn some HD discs. You mentioned you used VideoRedo TVSuite v3 to edit the OTA HD video. But Dan203 said v4 is required to open WTV files, which is what I’ve heard elsewhere.

I already have VRDTS v3 and would like to know how you edited the OTA video WTV files created with Windows 7 WMC using v3?

I have not tried this yet as I just started playing with WMC & it’s on a different PC than VRDTS. But it will get networked together.
 

Anole

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the ravages of time

Since this old thread has been dredged up, I'll update my status on the subject, too.

I can burn either 720p .MKV downloaded files, OR 1080i mpeg* that I record OTA, onto a standard single layer DVD, and play them in my buddys Samsung bluray player.
So, that solves one part of the problem.

For myself, I have moved to a Western Digital TV Live Plus media player box, located on my LAN.
It is fully capable of playing back the above formats (and 4:2:2) as well as DVD ISO images, .AVI/XviD/h.264/mp4/whatever, without problems.

All video now resides on multiple computers on my home LAN, and I couldn't be happier. ;)
I only burn DVDs for a friend, never got a bluray player nor burner, and just don't care any more.
Time has shown new solutions to old problems.



* btw, any 1 hour 1080i network program recorded with Vista Media Center, shrinks down to where it'll fit onto a 4.5gb data DVD, after commercial editing and filler removal with VideoReDo.
No loss in quality, no re-encoding. ;)
 
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Stumped

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I don't burn many DVDs. But sometimes I do want to save a program to DVD.

How do you get a WMC .wtv file converted to a regular mpeg2 file? And will VRDTS v3 then be able to edit the HD mpeg2 video?

I have tried WMC to burn a DVD just to see it works & it does. How did you edit the 1080i program with VRD? Did you use v4?

You mention no loss in quality when using Media Center to make a DVD. Are you saying this would be in AVCHD format? If so how was that done as I don't recall Media Center giving me that option.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Doing some reading it appears VRDTS v3 will open & edit dvrms files from WMC, and WMC will burn an AVCHD file to a DVD.
But how do you author the edited dvrms file to AVCHD format?
 
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