I have a VideoReDo 4 license. What incentives does V5 offer me to buy an upgrade?

Xizer

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#1
Here's my biggest pet peevs with VideoReDo V4:

-Can't edit VC-1 video
-Can't edit HEVC video
-Can't edit 10-bit or 4:2:2 H.264 video
-Can't edit files with Dolby E audio tracks
-Can't edit files with DTS-HD Master Audio tracks
-Can't edit files encoded with no I-Frames

And I want to be able to edit all of these things losslessly without re-encoding just like I can do with standard MPEG-2 or H.264 files in V4.

So does VideoReDo V5 address any of these things or is it basically just a cosmetic update? I don't see a reason to purchase an upgrade license unless V5 offers some features I've been missing in V4. And I can't think of anything I've ever needed to do that V4 couldn't handle other than these things I've just listed. I see V5 does allow you to edit stuff with DTS tracks, but that single feature isn't worth $26 to me.
 
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Dan203

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#2
The last one is fixed in v5. We have a whole new H.264 cutting engine that can do frame accurate cuts without pixelation even if there are no IDR frames. DTS-HD is partially supported, but it's a work in progress so I wouldn't buy right now specifically for that feature. (works OK with MKV files, not so well with TS/M2TS)

Dolby E and 10 bit/4:2:2 are both things we can support in VRD Pro, but the price for Pro is significantly more. (min $250, probably more for the codecs that support 4:2:2 you'd have to talk to DanR for a quote)

It's unlikely we'll ever support VC-1 smart editing. The format just isn't that popular and it's not worth the effort. You should be able to open and edit the files in v5 but it will require a full recode.

HEVC is something we'll likely support in the future, but it's a ways off and might not make it until v6.
 
#3
What is the time window for the upgrade, I bought on October 26th, 2014 and its asking me to pay for an upgrade. That can't be right. I saw a forum post talking about anyone who bought since August would get an upgrade, interestingly enough, that forum post is no longer available. Not going to be happy if I spent 96$ in October and can't upgrade a month later.
 
#4
What is the time window for the upgrade, I bought on October 26th, 2014 and its asking me to pay for an upgrade. That can't be right. I saw a forum post talking about anyone who bought since August would get an upgrade, interestingly enough, that forum post is no longer available. Not going to be happy if I spent 96$ in October and can't upgrade a month later.
Dan R. got back to me and I was able to do the upgrade - in case anyone wants to know how:
This page should help you out:

http://www.videoredo.com/v5_new/Version_5_upgrade_wizard.htm

If we don't detect your key, then you'll be asked to enter your V4 key:

"Instead, using Version 5, click on Help>Enter Software key and click the "Upgrade from earlier version" button. This will give you the opportunity to enter your name and key from an older release."

Still would be good to know the timeframe that people who purchased V4 can upgrade for free to V5, haven't been able to find that part.
 

Xizer

New member
#6
Okay, I just thought of something.

Does V5 have an interface that works better with Windows' DPI scaling?

I have a 4K TV as my PC monitor now. Parts of VideoReDo 4 scale properly to 200% (like the VideoReDo Options menu for example), but others remain at 100% and thus look absolutely tiny at 4K. I've attached a screenshot as an example.

(Photoshop has this issue too with not scaling, lol)



 
#7
I don't see a reason to purchase an upgrade license unless V5 offers some features I've been missing in V4. And I can't think of anything I've ever needed to do that V4 couldn't handle other than these things I've just listed. I see V5 does allow you to edit stuff with DTS tracks, but that single feature isn't worth $26 to me.
Another reason to upgrade is that development has been stopped for v4.

I've recently encountered a problem in v4 and v5. Dan203 has mentioned that v4 won't be updated anymore but my problem will be fixed in the next release of v5.
http://www.videoredo.net/msgBoard/showthread.php?34928-Static-noise-when-muxing&p=116854#post116854
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
#8
-Can't edit 10-bit or 4:2:2 H.264 video
-Can't edit files with Dolby E audio tracks
Dolby E audio can be edited and cut, without playback or recoding on MPEG2 files. For H.264 files, the same Dolby-E support is part of VRD Pro.

We just got 10-bit and 4:2:2 is working in our VRDPro version. However it requires a different set of codecs and we are working with our codec vendor, Mainconcept, regarding the pricing for the enhanced codecs.
 
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Dan203

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#9
Okay, I just thought of something.

Does V5 have an interface that works better with Windows' DPI scaling?
No. I'm surprised the options dialog scales. It shouldn't as there is nothing special about it that would allow it to DPI scale.

Unfortunately Windows does not provide an easy way to scale dialogs for high res monitors. They offer that 100/125/150% setting in "Display" but that only effects some aspects of the UI and usually causes more issues then it fixes.
 

Danr

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Staff member
#10
Does V5 have an interface that works better with Windows' DPI scaling?
What scaling are you using?

We've gotten a few, not many certainly less than 10, requests about handling scaling, so it's something that we are going to investigate further.
 
#11
I think you will be getting more scaling requests in the future as 4K displays become more common.

I have my DPI settings in Windows 8.1 at 200%. A lot of things scale fine to 200% but other things behave strangely, like your program.

At normal 4K resolution 100% DPI everything is super tiny... and this display is 55". So yeah. This is going to be an issue in the future.

Dolby E audio can be edited and cut, without playback or recoding on MPEG2 files. For H.264 files, the same Dolby-E support is part of VRD Pro.

We just got 10-bit and 4:2:2 is working in our VRDPro version. However it requires a different set of codecs and we are working with our codec vendor, Mainconcept, regarding the pricing for the enhanced codecs.
Oh so you have added full Dolby E support to VRD Pro now? Does this work properly even when it is not paired with another audio in the stream (like no mp2 pairs in the .ts alongside the Dolby E track?)

I can edit files with Dolby E tracks in VRD 4, but I can only do it by using the Trim and Copy function, as saving the output will remove the Dolby E from the .ts in the saved output. This means I can only edit material on the beginning and end of a recording, but nothing in the middle.
 
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Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
#12
I might have found a solution for the DPI scaling. There is a flag in Visual Studio you can set that tells Windows that your app is not DPI aware, which then causes Windows to scale everything instead of us having to do it manually. I tried it on a debug build in a VM set to 150% and it works perfectly, but we need to run some more tests to makes sure it doesn't cause any other issues.
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
#13
@Xizer, In VRDPro Dolby E since it's video frame aligned, let's us cut and save it, but not process it in any way. During editing currently you'll only hear some hiss/static.

Also, I'd like to have you try Dan Haddix's solution to the DPI scaling, but will need to create a special build for you as currently the setting is done at compile/build time and not at runtime. Please email at support @ videoredo.com and I'll send you something to try. Would also like to get some samples from you as well.
 
#14
That is great to hear about Dolby E that you can cut and save it in VideoReDo Pro now. I do not need to do any processing to Dolby E tracks, just editing and cutting them as I do with video. I do the audio conversion from a Dolby E track to a more listenable format like FLAC or DTS-HD using Steinberg Nuendo w/ Dolby E plug-in after I have fully edited out commercial breaks from the video. Then I mux the converted audio file back into the transport stream with a third party utility such as tsMuxer.

I'll send the e-mail.
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
#15
Also, upload one or two Dolby E samples for us to check out. We've seen a couple different program map identifiers for Dolby E and want to see if your files are compatible or if we need to continue tweaking things on our end.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
#17
The scaling issue was fixed a long time ago. You should be able to use VRD on any PC with the DPI set to greater the 100%. Some of the controls might look a bit small, but the text should scale as expected.
 
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