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Hauppauge HD-PVR?

#1
I'm looking at different options for a DVR. So far it's down to either a TIVO or a Hauppauge HD-PVR2.

I actually like the idea of the Hauppauge HD-PVR2. It's more affordable than a TIVO and I don't have a need for multiple tuners.

Is the Hauppauge HD-PVR2 easy to use? I assume it has an option for timer recordings.

I don't see anything on Hauppauge's web site regarding the size of the hard drive. Does it have a built in hard drive?

I'd like to use videoReDo TVSuite V5 with either the TIVO or the Hauppauge HD-PVR2.

If anyone uses the Hauppauge HD-PVR or Hauppauge HD-PVR2 I'd appreciate any help or advise on this.
 
#2
> Is the Hauppauge HD-PVR2 easy to use?

There are some quirks, but it is relatively easy to use.

> I assume it has an option for timer recordings.

Amazingly, Hauppauge Capture, the native Hauppauge application, has no provision for scheduling a recording Not only that: it cannot be started from the command line. As you might imagine this is hugely inconvenient, which is why many rely on third-party apps.

Hauppauge Capture does have a recording timer to shut things off after a specified interval.


> Does it have a built in hard drive?

No, it saves files to your computer. It's a different sort of product from a Tivo.

The Hauppauge driver situation was a bit of a mess until a year ago, when they released the (still current) driver. Since then the output files mostly work fine with VRD--for me, at least.

One important note: the HD-PVR2 via HDMI does not deal with HDCP.

I have used various Hauppauge boxes for several years and continue to use them. Lately I have found some other, newer products that are pretty impressive.
 
#3
I'm looking at different options for a DVR. So far it's down to either a TIVO or a Hauppauge HD-PVR2.

I actually like the idea of the Hauppauge HD-PVR2. It's more affordable than a TIVO and I don't have a need for multiple tuners.

Is the Hauppauge HD-PVR2 easy to use? I assume it has an option for timer recordings.

I don't see anything on Hauppauge's web site regarding the size of the hard drive. Does it have a built in hard drive?

I'd like to use videoReDo TVSuite V5 with either the TIVO or the Hauppauge HD-PVR2.

If anyone uses the Hauppauge HD-PVR or Hauppauge HD-PVR2 I'd appreciate any help or advise on this.
I'm surprised Tivo is still around when every TV provider has there own DVR now.

HD-PVR is a Capture Card, not DVR's like you get from your TV service provider. Tivo and HD-PVR 2 are two very different devices.

Happauge HD series is more geared toward Gaming more then anything else.

I don't recall seeing any kind of timer of sort with there software, plus your PC would have to be on 24/7.

If you want a capture card I would take a look at Magewell, There higher quality but gives you access to allot more 3rd party software.
 
#4
Not sure if the people above actually have ever used the HD-PVR and obviously do not know how to use it.

I have both the original HD-PVR (model 1212) and the HD-PVR2( model 1512). I have been using them for years to schedule and cap programs using only the software supplied by Hauppauge. The older HD-PVR only has Component input, but still 1080i HD. The newer HD-PVR2 adds HDMI 1080p recording. Technically, the HDMI should give better image quality, but both give greats results with 1080 cable sources.

Cable/Sat HDMI with HDCP is no problem. The HD-PVR 1212 Component out does not trigger HDCP restrictions. With the HD-PVR2 1512, HDMI from your cable/sat box is fed to a HDMI splitter which tell HDCP there is a "display only" device connected and HDCP decrypts the signal. One splitter HDMI out goes to a tv for viewing and the 2nd HDMI goes to the HD-PVR, which is invisible to HDCP, but gets the same signal to record.

Hauppauge does supply their in-house "Capture" program for recording, but it has always been a buggy attempt to copy Arcsoft's ShowBiz and is still a work in progress.
Strangely, they also give you Arcsoft ShowBiz v3.5 which works great for recording "On Demand" cable. I also use the ShowBiz to record internet HD video that can't be downloaded.
I hook the HD-PVR as a second monitor on my main computer, play the video full screen HD and the PVR captures it as a video on my other capture computer.

Both units also came with "WinTV" which has excellent capping and scheduling capabilities linked to TitanTV and other on-line program guides. I can scan the guide for the next 2 weeks, click on any program and click "Record This". A recording task with date/time/channel, is automatically transferred by link into the WinTV schedule. I can then edit the task to start 1 min early and end 1 min later than guide time. I can also then change the task from default "once" to M-F each week for the wife's soap or every week until seasons end for a series. When the record time arrives, the HD-PVR has a small IR cable that you point at the cable box. The HD-PVR/WinTV uses it to signal the cable and change channels.

The HD-PVR streams over USB (2.0 or 3)to your pc where a A/V file is created. There are lots of output options, but I prefer to have it create a "TS" file containing 1080i or 720p x264 video at 10Mbps with either AAC 256 2ch or passthru AC3 6ch. This can later be edited and recoded with VRD to whatever format I desire.

The HD-PVR system is powerful, flexible and has been doing thousands of hours of capture for me over the years - highly recommend it
 
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#5
Not sure if the people above actually have ever used the HD-PVR and obviously do not know how to use it.

I have both the original HD-PVR (model 1212) and the HD-PVR2( model 1512). I have been using them for years to schedule and cap programs using only the software supplied by Hauppauge. The older HD-PVR only has Component input, but still 1080i HD. The newer HD-PVR2 adds HDMI 1080p recording. Technically, the HDMI should give better image quality, but both give greats results with 1080 cable sources.

Cable/Sat HDMI with HDCP is no problem. The HD-PVR 1212 Component out does not trigger HDCP restrictions. With the HD-PVR2 1512, HDMI from your cable/sat box is fed to a HDMI splitter which tell HDCP there is a "display only" device connected and HDCP decrypts the signal. One splitter HDMI out goes to a tv for viewing and the 2nd HDMI goes to the HD-PVR, which is invisible to HDCP, but gets the same signal to record.

Hauppauge does supply their in-house "Capture" program for recording, but it has always been a buggy attempt to copy Arcsoft's ShowBiz and is still a work in progress.
Strangely, they also give you Arcsoft ShowBiz v3.5 which works great for recording "On Demand" cable. I also use the ShowBiz to record internet HD video that can't be downloaded.
I hook the HD-PVR as a second monitor on my main computer, play the video full screen HD and the PVR captures it as a video on my other capture computer.

Both units also came with "WinTV" which has excellent capping and scheduling capabilities linked to TitanTV and other on-line program guides. I can scan the guide for the next 2 weeks, click on any program and click "Record This". A recording task with date/time/channel, is automatically transferred by link into the WinTV schedule. I can then edit the task to start 1 min early and end 1 min later than guide time. I can also then change the task from default "once" to M-F each week for the wife's soap or every week until seasons end for a series. When the record time arrives, the HD-PVR has a small IR cable that you point at the cable box. The HD-PVR/WinTV uses it to signal the cable and change channels.

The HD-PVR streams over USB (2.0 or 3)to your pc where a A/V file is created. There are lots of output options, but I prefer to have it create a "TS" file containing 1080i or 720p x264 video at 10Mbps with either AAC 256 2ch or passthru AC3 6ch. This can later be edited and recoded with VRD to whatever format I desire.

The HD-PVR system is powerful, flexible and has been doing thousands of hours of capture for me over the years - highly recommend it
What(brand)HDMI splitter do you use?

How is the VideoReDo editing program? Is it easy to use?

Have you used VideoReDo to make a DVD? Does it take long?
 
#6
crowe-t:

I use a powered splitter from "View-HD" - model VHD-1X2MN3D. Got it same time as HD-PVR2 (2013) and has been running in a cabinet since then with no probs. Still got them on Amazon-US for $17.50. It is limited to 1080p max res, but I don't do anything higher anyway. Lots of identical ones with other Chinese brand names on the cases. Also some with later HDMI versions & 1440p res.

VideoReDo is fantastic - much better than anything else I've used. Earlier versions were touchy about which frame type you cut on - current mainstream & beta give smooth joins, wherever you cut.

Never used any version to make a "DVD". Why would you want to? It means converting your nice h264 file to a video, audio and file format from 1995. (DVD specs have never been updated to keep compatability with old disks)

Any stand-alone DVD player that isn't antique will handle mp4s and BluRays have MKV splitters in firmware. Just do a file and put it on a blank dvd disk in UDF format.
 
#7
crowe-t:

I use a powered splitter from "View-HD" - model VHD-1X2MN3D. Got it same time as HD-PVR2 (2013) and has been running in a cabinet since then with no probs. Still got them on Amazon-US for $17.50. It is limited to 1080p max res, but I don't do anything higher anyway. Lots of identical ones with other Chinese brand names on the cases. Also some with later HDMI versions & 1440p res.

VideoReDo is fantastic - much better than anything else I've used. Earlier versions were touchy about which frame type you cut on - current mainstream & beta give smooth joins, wherever you cut.

Never used any version to make a "DVD". Why would you want to? It means converting your nice h264 file to a video, audio and file format from 1995. (DVD specs have never been updated to keep compatability with old disks)

Any stand-alone DVD player that isn't antique will handle mp4s and BluRays have MKV splitters in firmware. Just do a file and put it on a blank dvd disk in UDF format.
I'm used to having a remote control. How is it using the Hauppauge HD-PVR? Do I need a computer by me?
 
#8
The HD-PVR2 doesn't come with or use a remote control for it's operation. The HD-PVR only records/captures the signal you feed it over HDMI or Component inputs. There is a manual "Record now" button on the top, but otherwise, everything is controlled by software running on you computer (Wintv, Arcsoft ShowBiz or Hauppauge Capture). You tell the software what to do, it sends signals over USB to the HD-PVR and it does the rest, feeding what it records back over the same USB to the software, which creates the A/V file you can watch or edit.

You can still use your existing remote to change channels on the cable, satellite or tv tuner, but that is not controlling the HD-PVR, just the current program source device.

The HD-PVR does have a Infrared emitter on a wire you point at the cable box, sat box it needs to control. The software and IR emitter puts out the same coded pulses of light your regular remote sends. The source box sees the pulses and changes channels at the appropriate time so you record the right program.
If you have cats, don't leave your regular remote out when you are recording. Mine love to sit on the tv remote, change channels, pull up the setup menu and any other mischief they can do by butt dialing the remote.
 
#9
Thanks for all the information. I do have cats so I'll take your advice.

I'll be purchasing an HDTV soon but right now I still have an old RCA Tube TV set. I see there are HDMI to composite converters. I assume I should be able to use one of these between the computer and the TV.
 
#10
The HD-PVR2 doesn't come with or use a remote control for it's operation. The HD-PVR only records/captures the signal you feed it over HDMI or Component inputs. There is a manual "Record now" button on the top, but otherwise, everything is controlled by software running on you computer (Wintv, Arcsoft ShowBiz or Hauppauge Capture). You tell the software what to do, it sends signals over USB to the HD-PVR and it does the rest, feeding what it records back over the same USB to the software, which creates the A/V file you can watch or edit.

You can still use your existing remote to change channels on the cable, satellite or tv tuner, but that is not controlling the HD-PVR, just the current program source device.

The HD-PVR does have a Infrared emitter on a wire you point at the cable box, sat box it needs to control. The software and IR emitter puts out the same coded pulses of light your regular remote sends. The source box sees the pulses and changes channels at the appropriate time so you record the right program.
If you have cats, don't leave your regular remote out when you are recording. Mine love to sit on the tv remote, change channels, pull up the setup menu and any other mischief they can do by butt dialing the remote.
What computer do you use? What processor does it have? What type of hard drive do you use? I forgot to ask?
 
#11
If you're only going to be capturing from a TV aerial/antenna to a computer, why not just get a basic capture card such as one of Hauppauge's WinTV models or an external dongle? I don't have any experience with the HD PVR units but my understanding is that their primary purpose is to record from existing cable/satellite boxes, games machines, etc. rather than simply recording TV shows.

The Hauppauge software is very basic. Have a look at Media Portal for a front end which looks lovely, has a great TV guide, lets you schedule and play back recordings, etc. and works very well. It's a little bit fiddly to set up at first but once it's working it's great.
 
#12
Simon, I'm going to be capturing programs from a Fios cable box. I'll be getting a laptop so I need an external 'capture card'.

The HD-PVR can be used as a DVR connected to a PC.

Does Media Portal work with Fios?
 
#13
What computer do you use? What processor does it have? What type of hard drive do you use? I forgot to ask?
Sorry reply took so long, haven't checked this forum in a while. The main capture computer is an old 2009 AMD X4-940 with 4G memory. CPU power needed for Hauppauge capture is minimal - AMD 940 can clock from 800-3200MHz, but spends most time at 800MHz - cool and silent. The CPU in not loaded by capture - HD-PVR box does most of the work and all the computer has to do is accept USB input and write it to file on the HDD.
I use a 4TB Seagate 5900rpm HDD. Capacity is more important than speed as the stream from the HD-PVR is already compressed AVC.

My main system is a Ryzen 1800x (8c/16t/4GHz), 16GB memory, EVO-960 512GB M2 SSD Boot drive, 4TB 7200rpm HDD storage. Do some secondary capture on this computer when 2 shows are on at once, but it is mainly for editing and encoding with VRD and x264 software.

Again, cpu power and speed required are minimal. 4GB Memory is fine. I would want a SATA III hdd, but doesn't have to be fast rpm. Same with USB.
The old AMD 940 MB only had USB 2.0 and captured fine. Did put a PCIe USB 3.0 card in, but that was to speed up backups to portable drives, not for the HD-PVR.
 
#14
If you're only going to be capturing from a TV aerial/antenna to a computer, why not just get a basic capture card such as one of Hauppauge's WinTV models or an external dongle?
In the US, there is limited availability of "free" OTA tv since we went all digital. If you are in an urban area, you might get 6-10 HDTV stations with an aerial to a digital tuner card. The rest of us must have cable or sat boxes which have HDCP encrypted output to prevent capture. I live in a rural, hilly area and there is 0 OTA reception - no primary or repeaters in line-of-sight range. I do get hundreds of channels in HD, but have to use a HDMI splitter and HD-PVR to capture off cable without triggering HDCP.
 
#15
I don't know about the others, but I have a 1212 on an HTPC I built 7 years ago. i5 Win 7. On this machine, I use Windows Media Center for recording. My DirecTV receiver is set to change channels by itself at the appropriate times.

I have an HD-PVR 1515 on my 6-year-old Windows 7 desktop computer running an i7. On this one, I have Hauppauge's own software. Again, the DirecTV receiver is set to change channels on its own. Because I have a mix of Hauppauge tuner cards in both machines, the IR functionality for the capture devices just doesn't work.

Hope that helps.
 
#16
The HD-PVR streams over USB (2.0 or 3)to your pc where a A/V file is created. There are lots of output options, but I prefer to have it create a "TS" file containing 1080i or 720p x264 video at 10Mbps with either AAC 256 2ch or passthru AC3 6ch. This can later be edited and recoded with VRD to whatever format I desire.

The HD-PVR system is powerful, flexible and has been doing thousands of hours of capture for me over the years - highly recommend it
Why do you have the HD-PVR 2 create a "TS" file? Doesn't it also create H.264 files?

How does the HD-PVR 2 pass AC3 6CH audio? Does the optical digital(SPDIF) input accept AC3 and pass it along to the PC?
 
#17
Why do you have the HD-PVR 2 create a "TS" file? Doesn't it also create H.264 files?
H264 is not a file - it is a type of video encoding you put inside a file. You are confusing the "box" with the stuff inside. The HD-PVR does encode video to AVC(h264), but the video needs to be combined with some audio and packaged into a file. It would be a nightmare to put the entire video data followed by the entire audio data - too hard to sync the frame with the sound if the info was at opposite ends of the file. The various container specifications (AVI, TS, MP4, MKV, etc) determine how the video stream will be split up into sections and interweaved with sections of audio data. This is Muxing or multiplexing. The HD-PVR can put the video & audio it creates into either a .MP4, .TS or .M2TS container - I've just had better luck with the TS when I import into VRD.

How does the HD-PVR 2 pass AC3 6CH audio? Does the optical digital(SPDIF) input accept AC3 and pass it along to the PC?
The HD-PVR2 has inputs for analog stereo, digital optical and HDMI. I am using an HDMI splitter to feed both audio and video to the HD-PVR2, so I get whatever the cable box has. The cable company and cable box feeds 6ch for most stations. The cable box audio setup has a setting for L-PCM audio over the HDMI, which gets me the full 6 channel AC3 if the station has it. That said, I usually convert audio to 2ch AAC with VRD while editing the video. I find the 6ch AC3 from the cable to be low volume and with most programs, 384/448 6ch surround adds little and only makes the file larger. I'd rather spend databits on better video quality.
 
#18
H264 is not a file - it is a type of video encoding you put inside a file. You are confusing the "box" with the stuff inside. The HD-PVR does encode video to AVC(h264), but the video needs to be combined with some audio and packaged into a file. It would be a nightmare to put the entire video data followed by the entire audio data - too hard to sync the frame with the sound if the info was at opposite ends of the file. The various container specifications (AVI, TS, MP4, MKV, etc) determine how the video stream will be split up into sections and interweaved with sections of audio data. This is Muxing or multiplexing. The HD-PVR can put the video & audio it creates into either a .MP4, .TS or .M2TS container - I've just had better luck with the TS when I import into VRD.


The HD-PVR2 has inputs for analog stereo, digital optical and HDMI. I am using an HDMI splitter to feed both audio and video to the HD-PVR2, so I get whatever the cable box has. The cable company and cable box feeds 6ch for most stations. The cable box audio setup has a setting for L-PCM audio over the HDMI, which gets me the full 6 channel AC3 if the station has it. That said, I usually convert audio to 2ch AAC with VRD while editing the video. I find the 6ch AC3 from the cable to be low volume and with most programs, 384/448 6ch surround adds little and only makes the file larger. I'd rather spend databits on better video quality.
I'm definitely confusing the "box" with the stuff inside but I'm starting to get the hang of it. Thanks for the explanation.

If I can't get the splitter to work with my Fios box, will I be able to use the analog component cables and the digital optical to record 6 channel AC3?

Have you tried recording in .M2TS and editing in VRD?
 
#19
I am currently running 6 HDPVR2 grabbing from Directv STBs on one computer successfully. I use NextPVR as the MediaCenter and I use networking Tuning instead of IR blasting. If I were you, forget the IR blasting and go with the network tuning. I've had practically no glitches since dumping IR blasting.

----> "If I can't get the splitter to work with my Fios box, will I be able to use the analog component cables and the digital optical to record 6 channel AC3?"

Yes! You can with NextPVR. Not only do I suggest you go with anolog component cables for video, I heavily encourage it. Television is 300 channels of different network providers airing their content at different frame rates, formats, bit rates and audio formats. Its literally 300 CHANNELS OF FREAKEN FORMAT DIVERSITY HELL! So to make things easier on your computer, there are ways to make your STB do part of the work at normalizing your video and audio. Its not perfect, but it works.


-----> "Have you tried recording in .M2TS and editing in VRD?"

I don't recommend M2TS for this. I'd stick with .TS as your recording format and .mp4 as your archive format. NextPVR can output an XML metadata file along with each TS recording that VAP/VRD/HANDBRAKE will use to create your MP4 and embedded it with metadata. VRD 5 cuts h264 mp4 just fine now. You can do two configurations in VAP. Config-1 can handle compression and mp4 creation. Config-2 for commercial tracking and cutting.
 
#20
I am currently running 6 HDPVR2 grabbing from Directv STBs on one computer successfully. I use NextPVR as the MediaCenter and I use networking Tuning instead of IR blasting. If I were you, forget the IR blasting and go with the network tuning. I've had practically no glitches since dumping IR blasting.

----> "If I can't get the splitter to work with my Fios box, will I be able to use the analog component cables and the digital optical to record 6 channel AC3?"

Yes! You can with NextPVR. Not only do I suggest you go with anolog component cables for video, I heavily encourage it. Television is 300 channels of different network providers airing their content at different frame rates, formats, bit rates and audio formats. Its literally 300 CHANNELS OF FREAKEN FORMAT DIVERSITY HELL! So to make things easier on your computer, there are ways to make your STB do part of the work at normalizing your video and audio. Its not perfect, but it works.


-----> "Have you tried recording in .M2TS and editing in VRD?"

I don't recommend M2TS for this. I'd stick with .TS as your recording format and .mp4 as your archive format. NextPVR can output an XML metadata file along with each TS recording that VAP/VRD/HANDBRAKE will use to create your MP4 and embedded it with metadata. VRD 5 cuts h264 mp4 just fine now. You can do two configurations in VAP. Config-1 can handle compression and mp4 creation. Config-2 for commercial tracking and cutting.
Along with the component cables I can use the digital input to record 6 channel audio?

After I record in .TS then use Handbrake to save in .mp4?

What is network tuning?
 
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