First impressions

SimonP

Member
I've just installed the beta of v.5 (705) and thought I'd post my initial reactions.

* Hate the drab, boxy "Windows 8" look, really hate it! :( Hopefully there'll be a skin for it that'll suit me better so thanks for that facility, although apologies to the person who created it... :)

* Where's the 'Save video' button? I eventually noticed the "charms" (yuk again) then discovered that I could switch them off (yay!) but then there was no "save" button. It was perfect where it was. How about putting it back when charms are disabled?

* Wow, I can open .avi files and save as mpeg2/h.264, a dream come true!

* I can edit videos with DTS audio. At least I thought I could, the file opened and I could do all the usual stuff but when I tried to save a clip it stopped with a big yellow ! in the save box, then when I tried again it crashed VRD. Trying the recover option crashed it each time I tried and then it crashed as soon as I tried to reopen the file. I opened another file, closed it and reopened the original file, it didn't crash this time but it hung again in the same way but with a different area of the file being saved. I don't have time for more testing at the moment but I'll try some more files later as it might just be that one.

* Now that VRD can open so many file formats, I'd like the option to open "all" files by default rather than the limited subset, perhaps with a warning that it may not be frame accurate when you select a non-MPEG2/H.264 file?

* How do I tell if I'm using QuickSync? I'm running an i5-4670k @ 4GHz with fast memory but recoding a short .avi clip to h.264 didn't seem very quick. The QuickSync option page says "1. Implementation setting" then "Hardware (any device)" but that's it, it doesn't look as if it's seeing my i5? The QuickSync Information page says "Hardware via D3D9" which I guess says that it's working but I expected to see something on the options page.

* The wheel of my Microsoft Explorer wireless mouse still only works randomly, but slightly better than with v.4 though so I'll count that as a plus, although it is buffered, which means that if I spin it forward too much, it overshoots. Remove that buffer?

* I desperately hoped that you might have added subtitle pass-through to .mkv files, but no. Please consider adding it soon? If you can go from .ts to .ts, then surely .ts or .mkv to .mkv can't be much harder?

* It's a definite upgrade, yet aside from the lost 'save' button and the skin, it still feels like my old friend.

That'll do for now but just the fact that I can edit .avi files sold it to me, native support for DTS is a huge plus, as is QuickSync support, and when I work out how to rotate and flip the video, I can think of occasions when that'll be useful. How do you do it and can it rotate 90 degrees and be framed?

Of course the all-important question is, how much will it cost to upgrade from v.4?

Congratulations. Overall I am impressed and aside from the DTS problem, everything I've tried works as expected so far. What are other people's first impressions?
 
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MrVideo

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I've just installed the beta of v.5 (705) and thought I'd post my initial reactions.

* Hate the drab, boxy "Windows 8" look, really hate it! :( Hopefully there'll be a skin for it that'll suit me better so thanks for that facility, although apologies to the person who created it... :)
Try this skin: go into the options and startup and click on Custom. In the pulldown list should be one called Dark.UI.xml. If it isn't in the list, you'll have to point the path in the area right below to it. Search for "dark.ui.xml" in your C:\Documents... path. Then put that path there and it should now be in the pulldown. I like the dark skin a lot better. Since I do not have W8 (can't stand its look/interface), I have no idea about the W8 look you are describing.

* Where's the 'Save video' button? I eventually noticed the "charms" (yuk again) then discovered that I could switch them off (yay!) but then there was no "save" button. It was perfect where it was. How about putting it back when charms are disabled?
Go to Tools->Shift+Options->53 and change it to True.

* Wow, I can open .avi files and save as mpeg2/h.264, a dream come true!
Keep in mind that AVI is not MPEG2 or H.264. It is a container, or wrapper, of video and audio. Depending on what is wrapped with the AVI file, all VRD might have to do is rewrap it to MKV, or TS, or whatever is supported. Otherwise it will have to recode to MPEG2 or H.264.

* I can edit videos with DTS audio. At least I thought I could, the file opened and I could do all the usual stuff but when I tried to save a clip it stopped with a big yellow ! in the save box, then when I tried again it crashed VRD. Trying the recover option crashed it each time I tried and then it crashed as soon as I tried to reopen the file. I opened another file, closed it and reopened the original file, it didn't crash this time but it hung again in the same way but with a different area of the file being saved. I don't have time for more testing at the moment but I'll try some more files later as it might just be that one.
I'm still on version 703, waiting for a fix for the licensing issue. But, with 703 I cannot open a m2ts file, as I get an error that it can't open the Direct Sound Device. I can open the same file after it has been rewrapped with MKV via mkvmerge. I've not tried editing it.

* Now that VRD can open so many file formats, I'd like the option to open "all" files by default rather than the limited subset, perhaps with a warning that it may not be frame accurate when you select a non-MPEG2/H.264 file?
I do not exactly understand your question. You can drag-n-drop any file to VRD. It will either open it, or it will not.

* How do I tell if I'm using QuickSync? I'm running an i5-4670k @ 4GHz with fast memory but recoding a short .avi clip to h.264 didn't seem very quick. The QuickSync option page says "1. Implementation setting" then "Hardware (any device)" but that's it, it doesn't look as if it's seeing my i5? The QuickSync Information page says "Hardware via D3D9" which I guess says that it's working but I expected to see something on the options page.
This one I do not know, as I prefer AMD processors.

* The wheel of my Microsoft Explorer wireless mouse still only works randomly, but slightly better than with v.4 though so I'll count that as a plus, although it is buffered, which means that if I spin it forward too much, it overshoots. Remove that buffer?
I'm not a thumbwheel fan. :D
 
Woah, VRD5 beta, exciting times ahead :)

OP: just select desired encoder in Output profile screen. Either set it up permanently by editing profile or set it for one ocassion on a save dialog. There is an item called Encoder with options Default and Intel QuickSync.

I am currently on the go with my Intel Baytrail Atom tablet and QuickSync worked nicely in a short test. I was able to output 720p/1080p clip using force-recode achieving up to 60 FPS, that's impressive result for such a small power efficient device. With QuickSync off the performance is significantly worse (night day difference), obviously.

Not much other impressions so far. Except VRD UI is not really adjusted for hiDPI displays. That applies to at least the initial VRD screen which opens too small making most of it's content inacessible/cropped. Whenever I open a video situation improves as the window self adjusts to suitable size. For record, that's on 1920x1200 @ 10" display, running Win8.1 with 150% UI zoom (default setting for such kind of hiDPI devices).
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
go with my Intel Baytrail Atom tablet and QuickSync
Which tablet are you using?

Want to test some hi-dpi displays here as well. Been thinking about a Surface 3, but perhaps something less powerful and smaller would be OK as well.
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
Overall I am impressed and aside from the DTS problem,
The DTS issue came up during our alpha testing (about 20-25 users) and turned out to be quite a bit more complex than we we originally thought and is going to take another week or two (hopefully) to resolve. Didn't want to hold up the beta just for that as I'm sure you can appreciate we really want to get this released :)

Of course the all-important question is, how much will it cost to upgrade from v.4?
Pricing will be similar to previous upgrades, V4 to V5 less than $30. Recent V4 purchasers and upgraders, from June 1, 2014 will be eligible for a free upgrade for a period after the initial release announcement.
 

Danr

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Staff member
V5 Beta, not possible to change the language. Only English is available
I see the issue, will fix for the next build. However, there are a lot of new strings / text so the translations will have to be updated as well.
 

SimonP

Member
Try this skin: go into the options and startup and click on Custom. In the pulldown list should be one called Dark.UI.xml.
Definitely better, thanks. I noticed it there but didn't have time to try everything out last night.

Since I do not have W8 (can't stand its look/interface), I have no idea about the W8 look you are describing.
Same here, can't bear it, it's that boxiness - no smooth curves, just straight lines everywhere, it's unnatural. There are many other reasons to hate W8 but that's a big one for me.

Go to Tools->Shift+Options->53 and change it to True.
Ah yes, that did it, although I'd prefer a larger icon as before.

Keep in mind that AVI is not MPEG2 or H.264. It is a container, or wrapper, of video and audio.
Sure, and it didn't work on all of them but enough to make me happy and a recode is no problem.

I do not exactly understand your question. You can drag-n-drop any file to VRD. It will either open it, or it will not.
True. I usually open the file in VRD from Windows Explorer which also makes it unnecessary, but sometimes I open a bunch of files from within VRD and where it wasn't a problem before as it only supported a few file types, now that it can open, for example, .avi, it would be nice to have the option to see all files immediately rather than having to select "all files".

I'm not a thumbwheel fan. :D
I find myself using it quite a bit and the nice thing is that you can do all your marking with just the mouse when it works but sadly my mouse wheel has never worked properly with VRD or a couple of other programs.
 
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SimonP

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OP: just select desired encoder in Output profile screen. Either set it up permanently by editing profile or set it for one ocassion on a save dialog. There is an item called Encoder with options Default and Intel QuickSync.
Thanks, I hadn't got that far yet, I'll do some testing to see if it needs setting manually or if it defaults to QuickSync automatically.

(Later)
Answer: it didn't make much difference on a small (111MB) file but on a bigger one:

725MB .avi file (MPEG-4/MP3) - 9 mins 27 secs to recode to H.264/.mkv on Default, 3 mins 50 secs on QuickSync. (HDD to SSD)

On Default it was using 80-90% CPU and 67% of my 8GB memory but when I selected QS it used 25-30% CPU and 70% memory. Just to be sure I ran it again on Default and confirmed that the difference wasn't due to caching.

So QuickSync definitely works and makes a significant difference :) although it would be nice if it detected a QS compatible processor and defaulted to QS in that case.
 
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SimonP

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The DTS issue came up during our alpha testing (about 20-25 users) and turned out to be quite a bit more complex than we we originally thought and is going to take another week or two (hopefully) to resolve. Didn't want to hold up the beta just for that as I'm sure you can appreciate we really want to get this released :)
Good to know, thanks. I didn't have time to mess about with it much but I noticed that output files were created so I guess the crash is near the end of the process?

Pricing will be similar to previous upgrades, V4 to V5 less than $30.
Great stuff, well worth it.
 

MrVideo

Active member
Ah yes, that did it, although I'd prefer a larger icon as before.
It was sort-of a fight getting it back at all. It took a lot of convincing to get it returned to that location. Where it was located just did not work with the work flow. So, getting a nice button like the two next to it isn't going to happen any time soon.

usually open the file in VRD from Windows Explorer which also makes it unnecessary, but sometimes I open a bunch of files from within VRD and where it wasn't a problem before as it only supported a few file types, now that it can open, for example, .avi, it would be nice to have the option to see all files immediately rather than having to select "all files".
Ah, now I understand. I pretty much always drag-n-drop from explorer, so I haven't run across that issue.
 

SimonP

Member
It was sort-of a fight getting it back at all. It took a lot of convincing to get it returned to that location. Where it was located just did not work with the work flow. So, getting a nice button like the two next to it isn't going to happen any time soon.
I'm glad you did and I completely agree, you're working down in that bottom area of the screen, it doesn't feel right to have to go somewhere else to save it once you're done.
 

MrVideo

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I'm glad you did and I completely agree, you're working down in that bottom area of the screen, it doesn't feel right to have to go somewhere else to save it once you're done.
That was my point exactly. My cursor was in that area right before doing the save. Full screen 1920x1080 resulted in a lot of thumb motion on the thumbball rodent.

Funny thing is that of the first things after opening up the beta was regarding the missing save button.

As a side note, I won't even be using the Join button on the right, as it is farther to go than using it on the menu bar.
 

SimonP

Member
That was my point exactly. My cursor was in that area right before doing the save. Full screen 1920x1080 resulted in a lot of thumb motion on the thumbball rodent.
Of course, and even worse when using a trackpad.

Funny thing is that of the first things after opening up the beta was regarding the missing save button.
Yup, I missed it straight away and took a while to even notice the 'charms'.


Quick note for the devs to save opening another message: T > O > Start Up - saving one's config always defaults to the folder under C:\User (was the same in v.4). I save mine to a cloud-synced folder and have to change it each time. Any chance it could remember where I want to save it?
 

IRa

New member
I see the issue, will fix for the next build. However, there are a lot of new strings / text so the translations will have to be updated as well.
I noticed that also, testing of translations must wait for next release
 

IRa

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Info window in main window does not show MB values in correct way. Thousand separator is shown as black diamond with question mark inside of it. This might be something related to Scandinavian alphabets.diamand.png
 

SnoopyDog

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No, this is not related to Scandinavian alphabets specifically. The � is a replacement character used to replace an unknown or unrepresentable character. The thousand separator is probably a Unicode character and v5 can't diplay it cuz its using ansi or ascii encoding right now. DanR has promised v5 to be Unicoded after release.
 

MrVideo

Active member
That doesn't make any sense, because depending on where you live, the separators are periods or commas. Common to most all languages.
 

SnoopyDog

New member
Well, I see the � as well on my Scandinavian system. The thousand separator in my windows is empty, so no comma or period there. Highlighting the empty box one can detect a char in there so i suspect its a Unicode Character 'SPACE' (U+0020), hence the �.
 
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