Editing and burning Tivo (.tivo) files HELP

Jeeves

New member
Ok, so I purchased VideoReDo to help reduce the size of the .tivo files by clipping the start and end content in addition to removing the ads.

First, after I have Saved As... a .tivo file, I get errors about de-muxing in some programs and others want to resample. Why can't I just burn the .tivo (which is a slightly modified .mpg with some meta data) to a DVD?

I'm looking for HELP with the above, even if I have to Save As.... to another type of format, WITHOUT a loss in quality.

I have the following:
Roxio/Sonic Easy Media Creator 8 (EMC8)
Nero Ultra Edition v7
DVDAuthor+DVDAuthorGUI
uLead Move Factory v4

Should I purchase DVD-Lab? OMG, they have so many different versions... I have no problem with putting down $200 if it will not resample or re-encode and just burn the .tivo or .mpg created from VideoRedo.

Oh, don't try copying back a .tivo to the Tivo via HMO to burn to a DVD. The Tivo unit WILL play it back, but a "unknown CODEC" error will appear if you try to use the Tivo to burn to a DVD (HUMAX, SONY, Pioneer).

TIA,
Jeeves
 

phd

Super Moderator
Your Tivo file may be a resolution that is not DVD compliant. THat may be why authoring programs are telling you to reencode.

Load a file into VideoReDo and press Ctrl+L to list the properties.
 

Anole

Moderator
regarding DVD Labs

As PHD said, you'll need a DVD-friendly format out of your TiVo to avoid a lot of hassles.

But just concerning DVD Labs, I'll answer your question: NO
No, it won't resample your video, and...
No, you probably shouldn't buy it.
At least, not at this time.
And I'm a happy DVD Labs Pro user, who recommends it at the drop of a hat.!.

You have enough tools on hand (even a free one) and should be able to make a few DVDs to get started.
For now, concencentrate on the basics, and once you have several DVDs under your belt, if you find that there are things you want to do that your programs just won't do to your satisfaction, then consider DVD Labs.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion...
 
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Jeeves

New member
More Info

The info I can tell you is that it is from a Pioneer 810, so even before the HMO option came out it was in a format that was ready for burning to the built-in DVD recorder.

Using 2.2.1.579 - Jul 5, 2006

Video Program information:

Video Stream
File Type: TiVo
Dimension: 720 x 480
Display Size: 720 x 480
Frame Rate: 29.97 FPS
VBV Buffer: 224KB
Progressive: Prog or Int
Encoding: MPEG 2
Stream ID: xE0
Aspect Ratio: 4/3
Bit Rate: 9,200 Mbps
Profile: Main/Main
Chroma: 4:2.0

Audio Stream
Stream ID: AC3: 0 (x80)
Bit Rate: 256Kbps
Channels: 2.0
Sampling Rate: 48000 Hz

Does this help?

Oh, I keep hearing 'DVD Friendly'. Is there someplace that defines what is/is not 'DVD Friendly/compliant'?


TIA,
Jeeves
 

phd

Super Moderator
Now I'm getting confused.

Were the original files Tivo files that you want to author to a DVD?

Were they from a DVD recorder?

What is your destination? a DVD or Tivo?
 

Jeeves

New member
Sorry Pat for the confusion

phd said:
Were the original files Tivo files that you want to author to a DVD?
Were they from a DVD recorder?
What is your destination? a DVD or Tivo?
1. The original files are .tivo files copied to the PC via Tivo Desktop
2. Yes, the files originated from a Pioneer DVR-810H-S (DVD Burner w/Tivo GUI)
3. DVD, and the quickest way to get there. The previous mention of trying to copy back a .tivo file that was manipulated via VRP, then copied back to the Tivo was just as a test for Dan. The file played, but I received a "unknown codec" error when attempting to burn the file to the DVD via the Tivo interface/unit, once again, just as a test.​
 

phd

Super Moderator
If you can create files with the parameters as mentioned in #4 above, they will give you the least hassles. THey are DVD compliant.

DMF4 will usually happily author them without reencoding by checking "do not convert compliant..."
 

Jeeves

New member
Thank you so much Pat....

I think DMF v5 is out now..... Any notes regarding compatibility, does it have the same option?

I'll look for that 'reencode' option.

Can someone explain what is looked for when 'DVD Compliant' is asked? Hmm, maybe that would be a feature/suggestion. If multiple 'formats' must be x,y or z, then "DVD Complaint" could be displayed in the info (Ctrl-L) window. If someone is saving the video out that is NOT Compliant, and the PREFERNCES, which default to "Warn User" is set to ON, then the user is warned that the video they are saving is NOT DVD Compliant.

That opens another set of worms, "Save As DVD....." could be a menu choice that brings up the options for MAKING the video DVD compliant...

Which brings up another question, which, in some cases, is solved in third party apps via a "Size To Fit" option..... I have a .tivo file that has been edited from 4 hours down to 3. It's about 6gb right now and I'm trying to Save As... and make it DVD Compliant so that it will FIT ON 1 DVD. I've tried changing the Bit Rate via the "Options" from the initial 9,200 Mbps to 6 Mbps, which I thought would result in a roughly 2/3 of the original size but yet, was still not small enough... Is there a "Fit to Size" option in VRP? If not, is there a 'rough chart' someone that one can use as a guideline so that if they now the have x hours of video and they need it to be less than 4.5gb, that they need to have the bit rate set to xxx??

Thanks,
Mike
 

phd

Super Moderator
DMF5 has the same option.

VideoReDo does not reencode so there is no "Shrink to fit"

To make it fit, do this:
Author with DMF to a hard drive DVD folder and let it be oversize.
Use DVD shrink to reduce to fit.
Burn the shrinked DVD folder.

Rules for DVD compliance can be found through a search.

Here are some rough rules for NTSC DVD.
Resolution 720X480 704X480 352X480 352X240
Bitrate less than 10 Mbps combined video and audio. Some DVD players balk when you are near the maximum.
Audio 48KHz AC3 and LPCM. MPEG audio is unofficially supported but depends on your player. Most new ones will support it.
 

Jeeves

New member
How about DVD MovieFactory 5?

Thanks again Pat...

How about ULead DVD VideoStudio 10 and VideoStudio 10 Plus?

FYI - When I spoke with the tech support (Ben), he said that their 'Ad-Zapper' isn't very good. I told him to take a look at VRD!!!


Thanks,
Mike
 
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phd

Super Moderator
Both 10 and 10+ have an authoring module. If you use it, do not load any file into the timeline but go straight to the authoring module from the menu and add files there.

Make sure you do not select "Normalize audio" in Ulead either.
 
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