DVD Styler DVDAuthor problem

kevbo

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Well, that's what bothers me, because I tried just that: save the clip as a VOB, named .mpg, and fed it to GUI_for_dvdauthor, and I still had the same problem. Very very weird.

I wonder if it is my capture somehow...
 

Lester Burnham

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kevbo said:
Well, that's what bothers me, because I tried just that: save the clip as a VOB, named .mpg, and fed it to GUI_for_dvdauthor, and I still had the same problem. Very very weird.

I wonder if it is my capture somehow...
How / what are you capturing?
 

Lester Burnham

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kevbo said:
Just TV from my Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500, using a free package called GB-PVR. Nothing exotic...
I tend to capture using a Hauppauge WinTV PVR USB2, and pretty much exclusively using wintvcap. Briefly flirted with GB-PVR when I first got the PVR thingmy.

What settings do you use for the type of mpeg output created?
 

Lester Burnham

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Lester Burnham said:
Well before VideoReDo had the same as VOB option I used mplex to create an mpg input file with a compliant header for dvdauthor.

If you're interested in this option, I'll try and find the options I used - but it'll probably be tomorrow before I can find them.
Have now found what settings I used before VideoReDo had it's VOB type save:-

mpgtx -d -b <basename of output> <path to mpeg>

mplex -f 8 -M -V -o <target output mpeg file> <basename of mpgtx output>.*

Added a bit of time, but I'm just curious as to whether this gets around your problem or not.
 

wuurp

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I thought I'd bring this topic back because I've been having these problems for months now with my tv captures.

I use gui_for_dvdauthor. I've kept uptodate on the versions, but I have to stick with dvdauthor 0.6.10. Using version 0.6.11 or 12 I always get the "audio sector out or range" warnings. I don't use any features that require the later versions, so this isn't really a problem.

However, even with the old version, I get the following warning messages:

WARN: Audio pts for channel 8 moves backwards; please remultiplex input.
WARN: Previous sector: 982.902 - 982.950
WARN: Current sector: 982.902 - 982.926
WARN: Discontinuity in audio channel 8; please remultiplex input.
WARN: Previous sector: 982.902 - 982.926
WARN: Current sector: 982.974 - 983.022

The way I've been fixing this is to always run my files through QSF after editing and output to vob. I finally got tired of this tedious extra step so I did some more tests.

If I open a capture file, make my selections and save directly to vob, then when dvdauthor runs, it will give those remultiplex warnings at positions in the file which correspond to where the scene selections are joined together.

If I run that vob file through qsf then it works ok. Or, if I open that vob, select it all, and save as a new vob, it works.

If I use the same project file and save to mpg instead of vob, then open that mpg, select all, and save to vob, that works too.

So, it seems to only cause the problems if I save a file with selected scenes directly to a vob.
 

kevbo

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Thanks for waking this up again. I just came to post and ask about this again, and saw your post.

What do you mean by "select all"? Inside of VideoRedo? So, if you basically make VideoRedo process a vob a second time, it works?

That kind of leads me to believe it is something in VideoRedo's output that it corrects a second time.

I just upgraded to 2.1.2.417 with hopes that it might fix the problem, but it didn't.

What kind of bothers me a little bit is that they're touting this as a feature, but it isn't working for me. This program isn't the most expensive thing in the world, but it wasn't free either :) and this feature working would REALLY decrease my time on my workflow here, so I'd really like for it to work.

Another question: are there any other authoring programs that can take the VOB output? Wondering if we could take a VOB that screws up in DVD Author and try it in something else...the only other software I have rerenders it.
 

jaherbert

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I've had the same trouble. Occasionally, I can use the .VOB from VRD. I've tried all 3 versions of dvdauthor. Usually I have to run through the steps Lester mentioned (mpgtx, mplex). I do this by default in my repetitive projects.
 

Anole

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using something else to author...

Well, I have a reliable and successful work flow.'
I've been in the groove for a number of months.

Made up two discs of Formula One racing last night.
They included qualifying and the race in China this weekend .
That was the first disc. 3.5 to 4 hours.
Practice, behind the scenes, and a GP2 race fit on the 2nd disc.
Maybe 3 hours of video.

Other than taking 15..20 minutes each to author, everything went quickly.
I set chapter marks about every 5..6 minutes, and made a menu for each disc witih a fancy background graphic.
(the race course layout graphic)
There were no "do-over", there were no glitches, there were no surprises.

I can count on making several good DVDs every time I sit down to work on 'em.
 

kevbo

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Thanks for the positive report: I'm assuming you're using DVDAuthor?

This whole thing is weird...like, for example, I tried to do the "save as an mpg, reprocess into a vob" thing, and it didn't work for me. (When I generate the DVD files and point PowerDVD at them, the show is about 1/2 the length it is supposed to be.) However, when I accidentally pointed PowerDVD at just the VOB that was output, it had the whole thing!

Is there any other workflow that doesn't rerender that doesn't use DVDAuthor? I'm wondering if we could narrow it down to just a problem with DVDAuthor and the output. Heck, I'm willing to try something else, but everything I have here rerenders...
 

kevbo

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Actually, Anole, when you save from VideoRedo, do you save as .vob? That's what I'm having trouble with. What makes me wonder is that, if it were a .vob, I was thinking the processing time would be less than 15 minutes.
 

Anole

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Sorry I was so obtuse.
I should have been more clear.
Just didn't want to offend too heavyhandedly.
(let me do so, now.) ;)

See the topic of my post above.
I use DVD Labs, and don't have problems.
I'd suggested earlier that maybe it was time to try a different authoring program.

Lester Burnham uses DVDauthor and seems to have it working pretty well.
I assume he can beat you 'till ya make it work, too.
He sure doesn't seem too shy. ;)

I know DVDauthor will or can take VOB output by VRD, but in the bigger scheme of things, having VRD put out VOB files isn't really very useful.
(hopefully, someone will come to defend that attack, and you can hear the other side) ;)

People seem to get caught up thinking VOBs are good.
Not when output by an editor.
Only when output by an authoring program.
You can search for some old discussions on how the VOBs put out have blank fields to be filled in by DVDauthor.
So what?
No other authoring programs that I know of, use this feature/format!
So, you might as well output .mpg (both video and audio) or .mpa and .mpv (audio and video) format.
The authoring program knows how to put 'em back together.
I save in mpa/mpv and DVD Labs reassembles them without making any lip synch errors.

(I'd never make it as customer support!) :)

And "editing" VOB files without going back through the authoring step, isn't often going to get you anywhere.
The VOBs you find on a commercial disc are the output of a long authoring process.
They are not very edit-friendly.
For the most part, the best you can do is extract the video and audio, and re-author the disc.
.
 

laserfan

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I'm skeptical about this myself (using VOB as input). I haven't used dvdauthor a lot of times, but when I HAVE used it I've applied it to an .mpg file. Works fine.

I'm pretty sure that it then has to demux and remux into a titleset, so it does take a little bit of time to do.
 

Anole

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DVD Labs will demux the audio and video from an .mpg (and maybe from a .vob), but it's slow.
I have VRD save my final edit in .mpa and .mpv, then hand those files to DVDL.
If DVDauthor will take those files as input, maybe that is something worth trying.
 

kevbo

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If I feed DVDAuthor the .mpg files, it will demux them, remux them, turn them into VOBs, then "fix" them. 4 passes (but the 4th is fast). (I'm also not sure what that 4th "fix" pass does.)

If I feed DVDAuthor the VRD VOB's, it turns them into the DVD image's VOB's and fixes them, 2 passes, saving a full demux and remux, which is a very large amount of time.

If I could feed DVDAuthor the video and audio separately, I'd save one pass, which would help a bit. My current GUI (I'm using DVDStyler) doesn't let me do this, but GUI_for_dvdauthor does. Maybe I should switch. It still wouldn't be optimal.

I understand that you seem to think this is a waste of time. OTOH, the VideoRedo people actually put this feature into the program, and it doesn't appear to be working 100% correctly, and I'd like to help get that fixed: not the least of which because it will make by far the fastest workflow time for what I do.

Of course, another option is to build a set-top box and stream the videos, which is what I intend to do some day, but until that happens, I need to put the output of VideoRedo onto a DVD, and I'm trying to hone in on the fastest way to do so.

Thanks.
 

Lester Burnham

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Anole said:
Lester Burnham uses DVDauthor and seems to have it working pretty well.
I assume he can beat you 'till ya make it work, too.
He sure doesn't seem too shy. ;)
And you haven't even bought me dinner... ;-)

Anole said:
I know DVDauthor will or can take VOB output by VRD, but in the bigger scheme of things, having VRD put out VOB files isn't really very useful.
(hopefully, someone will come to defend that attack, and you can hear the other side) ;)
Well that rather depends on your perception of the term VOB - there's doing what VRD does now, or the discussed future possibility of it also providing a limited authoring process.

Anole said:
People seem to get caught up thinking VOBs are good.
Not when output by an editor.
Only when output by an authoring program.
That's because what's output by VRD at present, isn't a fully fledged VOB - it's simply an mpeg file (of specific type - I'm thinking in the headers) and with blank / empty NAV packets.

Anole said:
You can search for some old discussions on how the VOBs put out have blank fields to be filled in by DVDauthor.
So what?
No other authoring programs that I know of, use this feature/format!
But where it's of use and not much extra effort, then why not have the functionality. The problem being the terminology. At the time, I campaigned against using the terminology of VOB in VRD, but was seemingly overruled.

However, it is misleading and misinterpreted.
 

wuurp

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kevbo said:
Thanks for waking this up again. I just came to post and ask about this again, and saw your post.

What do you mean by "select all"? Inside of VideoRedo? So, if you basically make VideoRedo process a vob a second time, it works?

That kind of leads me to believe it is something in VideoRedo's output that it corrects a second time.
Yes. Here are the steps I am using. I open my original file, select the scenes to keep, and save to mpg. I then open that mpg file, the selection start and stop defaults to the whole file, so I just click add selection. Then I save to type vob (giving it an mpg extension to keep gui_for_dvdauthor happy).

If I follow those steps, and use dvdauthor 0.6.10, I don't get errors, at least so far. It does appear to be something VRD is doing, as the errors occur where commercials were cut out.
 

wcarlson

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Have this problem with standalone dvdauthor 0.6.10

I'm not sure if this helps anyone, I am generating a slideshow with 0.6.10 dvd-slideshow (NTSC) a large (500) number of pictures with 5 mp3's for audio. There are other movies (mpeg converted from mjpeg with audio) and a menu on the DVD. I get the "audio index out of range" using dvdauthor (0.6.10) and on the DVD some missing (audio) and freezing of the video. The DVD is readable on *most* players. Obviously I'd like to understand this issue and fix it but I have not succeeded yet.


wuurp said:
Yes. Here are the steps I am using. I open my original file, select the scenes to keep, and save to mpg. I then open that mpg file, the selection start and stop defaults to the whole file, so I just click add selection. Then I save to type vob (giving it an mpg extension to keep gui_for_dvdauthor happy).

If I follow those steps, and use dvdauthor 0.6.10, I don't get errors, at least so far. It does appear to be something VRD is doing, as the errors occur where commercials were cut out.
 
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