Do you use MPEG-4?

Do you use MPEG-4 codec?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • No

    Votes: 10 76.9%

  • Total voters
    13

raymondjpg

New member
ATM I can only see an avi open file option, and no option to save to Mpeg-4. Is there a switch somewhere in the current build to enable that option? Saving to elementary streams delivers an AVC format file.

I have quite a few movies in avi format that I would maybe like to edit, and retain that format, if possible.

Edit: I found Mpeg-4 in output options, but only with an option to re-encode. The result was an Mpeg-4 file with greatly reduced bitrate. My preference to retain the Mpeg-4 was predicated on a desire not to further process, or compress, the original avi format. Any reprocessing is bound to further compromise video quality.

Is there some way to defeat the re-encode option when editing and saving as an Mpeg-4 video? The option under output codec to match source delivers an AVC encode, not an Mpeg-4 file.
 
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Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Yeah we don't support MPEG-4 as a smart edit format. The only formats we allow smart editing of are MPEG-2, H.264/AVC and H.265/HEVC. Most other formats will open, but they will be recoded on output.
 

svcdmaker

Member
I have items in my archive also that are divx/xvid that I would like to maintain the ability to do something with if I wanted to. Is the goal to just streamline the lists but still maintain the capability? If is to eliminate confusion, changing the name somehow might help.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
I have items in my archive also that are divx/xvid that I would like to maintain the ability to do something with if I wanted to. Is the goal to just streamline the lists but still maintain the capability? If is to eliminate confusion, changing the name somehow might help.
Again this would only affect the output. You will still be able to open the files just fine. All we're talking about removing is the output codec, which no one in this thread has actually said they use. This is a remnant of the PSP and iPod Video days when portable devices were to under powered to play H.264. These days it's basically unnecessary and as this thread points out is confusing to people because of the name.
 

raymondjpg

New member
Again this would only affect the output. You will still be able to open the files just fine. All we're talking about removing is the output codec, which no one in this thread has actually said they use. This is a remnant of the PSP and iPod Video days when portable devices were to under powered to play H.264. These days it's basically unnecessary and as this thread points out is confusing to people because of the name.
I don't think that is quite right. Xvid encoded material is still being created and posted regularly on the internet, and I for one regularly transcode with Xvid for an acquaintance who prefers to view videos on his "DivX enabled" DVD/Blu ray player. I agree that it is not the best option in this day and age, but Xvid is definitely not redundant just yet.

Having said that, I have to admit that I have never used VideoRedo to create an Mpeg-4 video. There are other tools to do that which have more control over processing and output options. My principal use for VideoRedo is editing out advertisements from TV broadcasts, and I have a number of TV captures archived that I originally compressed with Xvid that I had hoped I could edit with VideoRedo while retaining the original encode. Apparently this is not possible, but even an "intelligent re-encode" might be better than no Mpeg-4 output option at all.

I agree with the posters who say that in order to avoid any confusion, it would be preferable to rename the output option Xvid (if that is the codec used) rather than to discard a feature that is already built into the application.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
We can’t call it Xvid because that's a branded codec. We use the MainConcept MPEG-4 codec. Calling it Xvid or DivX would be misleadin.
 

raymondjpg

New member
We can’t call it Xvid because that's a branded codec. We use the MainConcept MPEG-4 codec. Calling it Xvid or DivX would be misleadin.
OK. It's awkward. I really don't see much potential for confusion when Mpeg-4 and H264/AVC are listed separately. Those output options are probably used quite rarely, as opposed to Match Source, so anyone not knowing the difference between the two codecs would probably have little or no reason to encounter, or use them.
 

musicvid

Member
Sorry for my confusion. Yes, I am very familiar with Mainconcept mpeg-4, and I don't recommend it, nor would I miss it. The thing worth keeping though, Is Mainconcept AAC. It's a worthy codec, and there aren't many good alternatives available. ffmpeg aac may get there, but it's not ready for primetime yet. fdk is better, but its gpl restrictions are brutal.
 

hydra3333

Member
We can’t call it Xvid because that's a branded codec. We use the MainConcept MPEG-4 codec. Calling it Xvid or DivX would be misleading.
Um, may I suggest calling it something like "old mpeg-4 Part 2 encoding, not AVC" or "a bit like old xvid encoding" or "old mpeg-4 Part 2 encoding for kids and 'file sharers'", etc
... since mpeg4 without qualification also has connotations of the very widely use .mp4 container format which seems prone to promoting further confusion.

Hold a contest of user suggestions in the forum and then user votes on them ? No prize, I guess :)
 
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