Arrow keys in scene mode?

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Just tried on my end and the arrow keys work the same in both scene and cut modes.
 

Quest

New member
Ok, strange, had to close and reopen and they work. ???

I REALLY appreciate your support! It's rare to see support like you try to provide.

I have a second question, in this thread:


You say this "You don't have to split the recording. Open the file. Edit it so only the first section is selected. Adjust the sync. Add to joiner. Now repeat for each section of video. Then when you're done save the joiner to a file. "

My question is how do I add just a selected section to the joiner?

Thank you again.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
When you add a scene to the joiner (the green part) it will be shown in the joiner list as an individual list item.
 

Quest

New member
Ok, figured it out, didn't realize you had to Add selection and then Add to Joiner, I was thinking just Add selection would do it.

Thanks again.
 

Quest

New member
Hello again,

I'm just getting back to this project after all this time.
Anyway, I have the process down and it is exactly what I need for the project I'm embarking on.
I do have two questions, first, after adding multiple selections with varying sync changes to the joiner the only option is to create a file. Is there any way to save that Joiner list as a (project) where I can save it and after watching the file and see an issue I could load the Joiner (project) and make edits instead of having to start all over?
Second, I have run into instances where the selections are (say frame 1-10 with a 0 sync issue but then frame 11-20 with a -800 ms sync issue), when trying to do that you get an audio repeat between frames 10 and 11, is there a way to avoid this?
I might have that backward but either way the issue is the audio repeating between frames when changing audio sync.

Thank you Again!
 
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Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
1) There is a menu at the top of the joiner dialog that allows you to save and load joiner projects

2) Audio frames don’t perfectly align with video frames. When you make a cut in VRD we use the video frame and just grab the closest audio frame that we can to start from. So when you do two back to back segments like this there is always the possibility that both segments will grab the same audio frame, one at the end and the other at the beginning. There is really no easy way to avoid that.

My question is… why is your video out of sync like this? Typically there are two types of sync issues with video. Either the audio is out of sync equally across the duration of the video, which we can fix very well. Or the audio drifts out of sync over the course of the video which is not easy to fix. The drift is typically caused by the frame rate of the video being wrong. Typically when converting PAL to NTSC or similar. The video plays slightly too fast which causes the audio to slowly drift out of sync. If this is what's happening here you might be better off fixing the video and then reapplying the audio.
 

Quest

New member
Wow, ok I never even gave that "File" in the toolbar a second thought and did not know it was a drop down menu.
As for the audio issue it's not that big a deal and i can probably figure out a way to get around or edit out the repeated bits.

The reason for the extreme sync issues is this:
There was a Television series years ago that used music as an integral part of every episode but because of the licensing fees involved when the series was released on DVD all of the licensed music was replaced with generic alternatives.
I have this entire series saved from DVR with the commercials edited out. The video quality of that copy is far inferior to that of the DVD but the audio quality is as good as the DVD audio and better than the DVD audio as it is the original unedited audio.

So out of a labor of love and maybe a little of my extreme OCD, I've already ripped all of the 102 episodes from DVD to video only m2v files and the audio from the DVR copies to ac3 files.

Now it's just a matter of using this awesome tool you created to go through and sync up the 8 or so changes per episode where the commercial cuts differ from the straight through DVD video.

Again, Your support is unmatched and admirable!
Now that I know of the drop down menu, I believe my goal is all but achieved.

One last thought, a feature request.
I might be the only one but I think it would be useful to show the audio offset for each file in the Joiner list.

I.E. Filename, Description, Duration, Audio offset

Just a thought.

Thank you again!
 
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Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
I hate to throw water on this project but MKV is a horrible format for this. MKV files store time stamps as milliseconds. Which is not actually accurate enough to represent the timing of 29.97fps video stream. This causes a bounce in the timestamps which can cause sync issues when editing in VRD. It's normally only 1-2 frames, so most people don’t notice, but for what you're trying to do it could cause an issue.

One thing you might try is run the original MKV files through Quick Stream Fix and just save them to Program Streams. When you do a QSF our code ignores the original, bad, MKV timestamps and just assigns new ones based on the frame rate and the frame count. And since mpg files store timestamps at 90mHz ticks they might be better able to sync with the alternative audio track without these little hiccups.
 

Quest

New member
Ok, well I thought I was on the right track. I had one episode all but done just had the last audio sync issue to correct but the whole thing seemed good up to that point.
I'm not sure what you are suggesting I try, maybe you could explain a little more?
Both the m2v and ac3 files were ripped from mpg files. It's actually been so long ago since I did that I don't even remember what program I used to rip them.
I still have all the original mpg files along with the m2v and ac3 files so what would you suggest would be the best approach?

What I did was Muxed the m2v and ac3 files together in VRD the resulting mp4 is fine just needs the audio synced which is what I was doing with the Joiner.

Thanks for all the help!
 
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Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Sorry I just misread your previous post. 😱

i thought you said you ripped the DVDs to MKV. You didn’t so everything I said is moot, ignore it.

MP4 is fine. Continue what you're doing and you should end up with the result you want.
 

Quest

New member
Cool, I was worried I was going to have to repeat hours worth of work.

The exact process I've done is as follows.

First, I ripped all the episodes both from the factory DVD's and the DVD's with the DVR broadcast copies to mpg.
Second, I ran each mpg through QSF in VRD saving them as Elementary Streams.
Third, I Muxed the m2v from the factory mpg and the ac3 from the DVR mpg using The Elementary Stream Muxer.
Now I'm using the Joiner to correct the 8 or so audio sync issues per episode.

Again I think it would be a great feature if the audio offset was shown for each file in the joiner list, especially if it was shown and editable in the description!
That would be great if after time you were to notice a slight sync issue it would be a simple edit to correct in the saved joiner project.

Thanks again for your time and this awesome program!
 
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Quest

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I have another question.

You said there may be an issue if I ripped the DVD's straight to m2v files. Would that still be the case if I ripped them in VRD straight to Elementary streams since it does the QSF during the process?
I'm asking because the mpg files I'm using were ripped with another program years ago and I just got to thinking if I could rip the DVD's in VRD straight to Elementary streams then the entire process would be done in VRD and I'd skip the step of saving to mpeg then converting to Elementary streams in QSF.
Like I mentioned I have issues and the thought of doing it all with one program instead of two REALLY appeals to me, even if it means ripping everything again!
So do you think that would be worth doing or am I insane? LOL

Thanks again
 
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Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
I have another question.

You said there may be an issue if I ripped the DVD's straight to m2v files. Would that still be the case if I ripped them in VRD straight to Elementary streams since it does the QSF during the process?
I'm asking because the mpg files I'm using were ripped with another program years ago and I just got to thinking if I could rip the DVD's in VRD straight to Elementary streams then the entire process would be done in VRD and I'd skip the step of saving to mpeg then converting to Elementary streams in QSF.
Like I mentioned I have issues and the thought of doing it all with one program instead of two REALLY appeals to me, even if it means ripping everything again!
So do you think that would be worth doing or am I insane? LOL

Thanks again
No I said it might be an issue if you ripped them to MKV. M2V should be fine. The reason I jumped to that is because there is a popular tool called MakeMKV that rips DVDs and BluRays to MKV and I just assumed that’s what you used. MKV is the only format that has the issue I described, so you can completely ignore everything I said in that reply.

As for ripping them in VideoReDo… most commercial DVDs have encryption and VideoReDo can’t remove encryption. Also there are some features used in commercial DVD IFO files that we can’t handle. Our DVD import is very simple and was written many years ago when home DVD recorders were a thing (like a VCR that could record to DVD) and was mainly intended to support those. There are much better programs out there for ripping commercial DVDs.
 

hazekumar0

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I do have two questions, first, after adding multiple selections with varying sync changes to the joiner the only option is to create a file. Is there any way to save that Joiner list as a (project) where I can save it and after watching the file and see an issue I could load the Joiner (project) and make edits instead of having to start all over?
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jmc

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In the open "joiner" window...
In the upper left corner there is a "File" option.
This is a "Drop down" with a "Save Joiner Project" option.

Lots and lots of people do not notice this option.
I also had to be told about it. I wish they would just label it "File Options"
 
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